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By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?
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Posted by McAdam, Monday, 19 January 2015 7:31:54 AM
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Hi McAdam,
North Korea, Eisenhower, Nixon ..... So are you saying that precautionary policy decisions in the US fifty and sixty years ago justify .... what ? Islamist terrorism ? Presuming one was as evil as the other, are you suggesting that one country's evil justifies, or at least cancels out, the evil actions of a bunch of murderers ? Two wrongs make a right, is that it ? An eye for an eye, and then it's all okay ? Pretty backward thinking: it resembles the mentality of the Hebrews three and four thousand years ago - i.e., not suitable for 2015. Time to bring your thinking into the modern world :) Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 19 January 2015 8:12:11 AM
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yes Loudmouth,
Every now and then McAdam and NC let slip their real motives.They appear to have a deep hatred of the West which they try to gloss over --but every now and then it slips-out. Posted by SPQR, Monday, 19 January 2015 12:06:22 PM
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Hi Loudmouth,
"North Korea, Eisenhower, Nixon ..... So are you saying that...decisions in the US fifty and sixty years ago justify .... Islamist terrorism ?" No, that is not what I have said. To the contrary, I agree with you, that "Two wrongs don't make a right". Kindly see the clip of Dr. Michio Kaku, I quoted; http://youtu.be/jTxaGzm_v8Q , you'll understand the point better. Dr. Michio quotes two examples. Eisenhower, he says had decided to nuke North Korea, but had to abandon the idea because of insufficient public support. Second example is of Nixon, who thought the Vietnam War could be ended through a nuclear strike on North Korea and he too, cancelled it for the same reason. The point is that the governments, cannot do what they otherwise consider necessary, if they have unfavorable public opinion at home. Therefore, working on domestic public opinion becomes necessary to motivate it and to condition it, to approve, otherwise unacceptable actions. Receiving body bags or witnessing other human beings die, for example, needs lot of motivation or catastrophic events at home. Similarly the draconian measures such as censorship, or invasion of privacy or coercive measures on a section of a population would not normally be accepted. Therefore the public has to be terrorized to believe that the target population is so evil, that such measures are necessary. I hope you understand the point. You may or may not agree with it, but that is the point. And I hope and pray that I am wrong to suspect that more violent actions like Sydney or Paris or repeat of beheading etc by the proxies of IS etc may have to be witnessed again, because the domestic public opinion is yet not sufficiently prepared. May we all be spared the witnessing of more madness, amen. Just before posting, I see that Suspicious Person with Questionable Reliability is back again, with habitual false statements. He is seeing my "deep hatred for the west" in this, HOW? Substantiation is never his concern. It proves yet again,the sick mind this incorrigible creature has. Pity on him. Posted by McAdam, Monday, 19 January 2015 1:52:34 PM
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I have noticed that there is a tendency to bring up the age difference between Muhammad and his little girl bride, Aisha.
Now credit where it is due, after the consummation of their union he let her still play with her dolls. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 19 January 2015 2:00:07 PM
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Hi McAdam,
I'm glad that you condemn the dreadful brutalities of IS - does this mean that you don't believe that IS in adhering to the Koran ? Are you agreeing that terrorism is not, and never will be, the way to exert one's will over an unwilling world ? Are you suggesting that the Koran, like the Christian's Bible, contains parts which can be twisted to SEEM to authorise, or even demand, terrorist acts ? And that believers need to seriously question and reject those defective interpretations ? Are you suggesting that, as I would, all people, believers and non-believers, men and women, are equally entitled to the benefits and the protection of the law, to exercise their democratic right to contribute to the choosing of a government, which thereby has the authority to initiate laws for the protection of all, equally ? I fervently hope so. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 19 January 2015 3:47:51 PM
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BY GLENN GREENWALD. @ggreenwaldWEDNESDAY AT 8:15 AM
Forty-eight hours after hosting a massive march under the banner of free expression, France opened a criminal investigation of a controversial French comedian for a Facebook post he wrote about the Charlie Hebdo attack, and then this morning, arrested him for that post on charges of “defending terrorism.” The comedian, Dieudonné , previously sought elective office in France on what he called an “anti-Zionist” platform, has had his show banned by numerous government officials in cities throughout France"
It is not only about the double standards of the government; of rewarding the magazine for freedom of speech, yet arresting others for freedom of speech It is about what governments are after; control of social media, besides other draconian powers to curtail free speech. Selected population is targeted now, yet door has been opened to extend these measures to all.
Public has to be prepared, and conditioned to accept such measures. To this end, more "outrageous acts by Muslims" may unfold. The unfortunate direction of movement of events is clearly discernible to any thinking person.
Actual target is own public and their minds to be precize. They want, to be gullible, to accept as gospel truth, what ever is on the mainstream media or do they analyze first and accept only what makes sense....it is a matter of individual choice.
It will never happen, that one day we'll get up to find that we all have unanimity of views...it has never happened. So that can not be a sensible goal to pursue, yet we may be safer, if we develop the habit of reflection and independent judgement and guard against blind hatred against stereotypes that states may like us to, in order to suite their ends.
Choice is ours and it is for us to exercise it by embracing information as truth with due care.
We may have our eyes open in these interesting times we live in, or we may continue to "sleep walk to tragedy"