To the PADDLER OF MISINFORMATION

The readers note the ‘theories’ this paddler of the misinformation spins in every post.

FACTS on Bilal

• Bilal accepted Islam as a slave and his master would subject him to extremely painful physical torture for good part of the day;

• Bilal was one of many slaves that Muhammad’s friends ,Abu Bakr, bought and set free in the recognition of Quran’s emphasis on the virtue of ‘freeing the slaves’;

• Bilal was a highly respected companion of Muhammad. The first Muazzin of Islam [one who delivers Azaan (call) for prayer]. The legendry respect for Bilal among Muslims continued in days of Omar (the 2nd Kalif) who would come out of the door to personally receive him while the so called dignitaries would wait till Omar was free to see them;

• Bilal is a typical example of the racial equality of Quran’s teachings. Content of the heart is what matters and not the colour of the skin.

SPINS on Bilal:

Now look at his spins with qualifiers ‘I think” and ‘presumably’.

<< Muhammad had at least one African slave, Bilal, BEFORE Islam. I think he freed him when he converted.>> 20 Jan 8:03 AM

<<Yes, according to Fernand Braudel, Bilal became the first Muezzin, presumably after Muhammad freed him.>> 20 Jan 12:50 PM

I would like to correct him on Atlanta Slave Trade as well.

But he must assure me that he will answer my question first.

He has not answered my previous questions and keeps repeating his questions, despite my reminders that he has to answer questions in order to be able to ask the next question.

After that it will be one question from him and one from me. This can go as long as he does not break this rule.

And break the rule he will, because he is not in the business of serious exchange apart from paddling the misinformation he has done so consistently.

Thank you, NC, that fills out the picture :) So Bilal was an African slave, brought to Mecca or Medina, before Islam got going ? That was my point, that the African slave trade with Arabia was going on before Muhammad began preaching ? Is that right ? Who were the traders, I wonder.

Sorry, what was the question again ?

Joe

Hi Loudmouth, "Governor Jindal said"

Remarks of a state governor of USA about Europe? ...... What?

"Education, jobs and the economy are the most important issues that Louisiana voters want the next Congress to address, according to a poll released Wednesday by the state's largest business lobby. Conducted by Southern Media and Opinion Research of Baton Rouge for the Louisiana Association of Business and Industry, the survey found that education was "very important" to 87.3 percent of those polled. Jobs and the economy -- considered as one item -- came in a close second at 83.2 percent".
Or major problems in maintenance, storm preparedness of Louisiana refineries, is an other issue, that Louisiana governor could shed some light on.

We could take it seriously, if the UK Prime Minister or some other credible source from there had voiced the issues like No Go Areas. It appears that he does not even know the meaning of the terms he is using. Does the term No Go Area refers to the areas with a single community concentration, like the China Towns of New York and San Fransisco or of Harlem, where others are careful to visit. No Go Area, on the other hand means an area where entry is controlled by force. No Go Area in UK? A country, which takes pride in its legal system would suffer such an outrageous thing? Appears unthinkable.

I am no expert on Europe but know clearly, that if I needed a medical opinion, I wouldn't follow a cobbler's advice on the subject.

Bobby Jindal on Europe? Please follow him if you like to. I am not interested in this wild goose chase.

"Parts of the UK are becoming no-go areas for police because minority communities are operating their own justice systems, according to the Chief Inspector of Constabulary.
The rise in ‘community justice’ means crimes as serious as murder and sexual abuse are going unreported – a situation reminiscent of Belfast in the height of the Troubles.
Tom Winsor said police officers were simply never called to some neighbourhoods, where law-abiding people rather than criminals administer their own form of justice.

Honour killings, genital mutilation, and domestic violence are some of the offences thought to be unreported
He said: ‘There are some communities born under other skies who will not involve the police at all. I am reluctant to name the communities in question, but there are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves.
‘There are cities in the Midlands where the police never go because they are never called. They never hear of any trouble because the community deals with that on its own."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541635/Murders-rapes-going-unreported-no-zones-police-minority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html#ixzz3POshicOP

This is the 'benevolent' side of No-Go areas, they exist in the UK.
I've been there and have seen areas into which the prudent and the police, unless in force, do not go

Hi Loudmouth,

A lesson Re- Learnt and Re-Learnt and.......

1. Governor Jindal says that there are No Go Zones in UK and elsewhere Europe.
2. Fox News disseminates this to the world.
3. Our own Suspicious Person with Questionable Reliability, paddles lit as truth.
4. Some on this thread, including yourself appear to be inclined to believe this as truth and put other Muslims on the spot for it.
5. David Cameron the British Prime Minister says there are no No Go Zones in UK. He also says the Birmingham has a large Muslim community, still a minority and the city has lower crime rate.
6. French media is outraged by the insult done.
7. Fox News accepts wrong reporting and apologizes four times in one day.
8. Mayor of Paris is still not satisfied and announces to sue Fox News for attacking the honor of her city.
9. CNN asks Jindal to show evidence for his claim and he has none.
10. Jindal is still non repentant and CNN says he has made a fool of himself. Jindal might have shot himself in the foot already.

11. Any apology from our paddler of lies? None and none may be forthcoming.

He has been caught lying ealier, as the one who hears something and passes it on as truth, without verifying it's truth is a liar too. He has never apologized for his lies, probably because he claims others "are too lazy, ignorant and indifferent (don't know, don't care)"
When one takes others as such he/she is self assured to be able to talk one's way out of any situation. No one can save such a person from becoming a habitual liar....he/she is incorrigible. Such people should be left alone...basking in the cesspool of their lies.

The other lesson relearnt for the umpteenth time is that we should keep our eyes open, in the interesting times we are living in and should not be among those who are seen as sleep walking into tragedy.

May we be with the truth and may we be spared the tragedies, amen.

"Are most victims of terrorism Muslim?
Last updated 3 hours ago

By Ruth Alexander

BBC News

..2011 report by the US government's National Counter-Terrorism Center (NCTC), ..said: "In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97% of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years."

Miller does point out, though, that between 2004 and 2013 about half of all terrorist attacks, and 60% of fatalities due to terrorist attacks, took place in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan - all of which have a mostly Muslim population.

So while she doubts that 95% of terrorism victims are Muslim, she thinks the truth might not be far off.
"It's not out of the realm of possibility, given the extreme concentration of attacks in majority-Muslim countries," Miller says.

The overall number of deadly terrorist attacks in France, the UK, Spain and the US, however, is very low by international standards.

Between 2004-2013, the UK suffered 400 terrorist attacks, mostly in Northern Ireland, and almost all of them were non-lethal. The US suffered 131 attacks, fewer than 20 of which were lethal. France suffered 47 attacks. But in Iraq, there were 12,000 attacks and 8,000 of them were lethal.

"It's tempting for many people to try ....to figure out which religious groups are more violent than others, ....This is a mistake, ... Most terrorist attacks are rooted in geopolitics, ..(note the intriguing term used here; rooted in geopolitics) "Religion is certainly a part of them, but it is not the only part.""

Copied above an extract from is the BBC report; just out. According to this report;
1. We on this thread have been blaming the primary victims of terrorism; Muslims, for terrorism.

2. Second point in the report worth consideration is that terrorist attacks are rooted in geopolitics more than in religion.

The discussion about QURAN being the basis of violence, is clearly misplaced.