ENFORCEABILITY of VIEWS SECULAR or RELIGIOUS ( 2 of 2)

No form of governance has been supplied by Quran totally leaving them to the reason of the followers subject to Principles 1 & 2.

Now these facts are quite contrary to the assumption built in your “viewpoints other than Allah’s” statement.

And the importance of justice -Quran 4:135

“O ye who believe! Be ye staunch in justice, witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or (your) parents or (your) kindred, whether (the case be of) a rich man or a poor man ……..” (Pickthall)

In your secular zeal you keep repeating typical anti-Quran propaganda items that you do here as well <<The Quran exhorts Allah's followers to acts of offensive violence.>>

As a supposedly rational person, would you (also) care to quote Quran on violence. Don’t omit the correct meanings and correct context – you may have seen many misquotes in this thread already.

And if your resource is a typical Islamophobe site, you don’t see but misquotes.

And then comes your typical ‘all wise’ view on Islamic scripture and history:

“Unfortunately there is no Jesus character in that book to take his followers into a peaceful direction which some might cleave”

You have NOT read “that book” on the rational alternative it provides to “turn the other cheek”.

Quran 42:40 “The guerdon of an ill-deed is an ill the like thereof. But whosoever pardoneth and amendeth, his wage is the affair of Allah. Lo! He loveth not wrong-doers.”

The human right to respond to an ill-dead with a similar deed is recognised, but forgiveness is recommended as a preferred response.

Quran 2:263 “.. forgive evil” and Quran 4:149 “cover evil with pardon” are two of dozens of directives that take the “followers into a peaceful direction” which you seem to have totally missed in your characteristic sweeping statements based on little or no information as you have shown so many times now.

My friend, the impressive words and slick style matter a little, it is that facts that count in the final analysis.

See:https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=federal+government+declares+monis+a+terrorist%3F

for an update on the status of the Lyndt Cafe terrorist.

Monis is now officially deemed to have been a terrorist and by the Federal Government no less.

"..it is that facts that count in the final analysis"

If only they were, NC. So the Quran says a few nice things, which I've never countered. Anything naughty written about killing has simply been taken out of context, and me, and those silly IS boys, and the deliverers of Sharia justice in the western world, just don't get it.

Your defense of Islam's call to violence is by highlighting its supposed limits based on self-defense cessation upon enemy submission. There is a general view in the Islamic world that it is under attack from the West and is defending itself. So the violence has many sympathizers, while Westerners turn the other cheek to maintain social cohesion. Why bring up forgiveness in the Quran, which I did not to deny was there, then berate me as if I had? I mentioned it in distinguishing between Bible testaments.

Yes, I feel strongly about democracy and freedom, and you don't, excusing their lack in your native part of the world with any justification. You label me as a zealot, a pejorative term suggesting I hold the ideal unreasonably. You won't countenance the remotest possibility that your religious ideology is the biggest impediment to these values ever taking root and evolving. Why don't you just admit secular democracy is immoral in the eyes of Allah, and therefore to you, and move on instead of spouting circumlocutory obfuscation?

My writing style is offensive to you. Your beration is tiresome. Take your finger out of my face.

NC/McAdam/Craig:

Do you think it's okay for a 54-year old man to have sex with a 9 year old girl?

WHAT IS HAPPENING REALLY?

This is titled; The Covert Origins of ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

One may or may not agree with it, but consideration of other narrative is necessary when truth is masked by state- lies.

We all, should trust the good judgement that most of us might have been blessed with.

Reality of current events may become clearer in time. And if and when that happens, I pray for the satisfaction, of having sided with truth....because the burden of supporting massacres and loss of innocent lives is too much to bear; like the loss of 1.5 million lives during the destruction of non existent WMD of Iraq. I pity the current state of mind of those miserable souls who participated in or supported that massacre.

We may come to know, after a few years what actually is happening in the region, if for example we witness the creation of a new state of Kurdistan, at the cost of Iraq and Syria and these two "evil" countries cut to size of Lebanon or Jordan and then the whole attention could be focussed on remaining villains like Iran. This scenario can be rightly dismissed as conjecture or conspiracy theories ......until of course, the curtain is lifted.

Are these conjectures facts or not, is not the point. The point is; the importance of keeping our eyes open in the interesting times that we are living in. We need to trust our judgements and not the mainstream media.
Good luck.
May god help us all, amen.

PS:
Following is titled;

The a Geopolitics of WW III https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3tINgWfQE

It contains a line; " the public is sleep walking in to tragedy". Is it?

One may expect states controlling social media now. Efforts in that direction are already discernible.

The manner of NC and McAdam has much in keeping with shonky used car salesmen trying to sell a rust bucket :)