SUBSTANTIATION REDEFINED!

Substantiation by the Suspicious Person with Questionable Reliability; quotes of other persons made in another context and from another thread..... And from another year......and not a single quote from me.

So the old writings of others are being produced as a proof of what I stand for.? That is substantiation of allegation against me?...... Is it sane?

Nothing but rubbish from this Person; an other addition to the heap already piled up by him on this thread.

Hopeless,...... utterly hopeless person!

@SPQR

On his partial quote from my post (NC, Friday, 1 August 2014 8:01:18 PM on a different thread)

SPQR initiated discussion on slavery by:

<<Islamic invaders waged war to convert or enslave Africans up until very recently (& the Islamic slave trade was the biggest in history-buthow many have heard of it?).>> 1 Aug 7:21 AM

To which, I responded with:

<<And now you have brought in slavery and, as usual, you are blaming it all on the Muslims. I must touch your diversions while keeping the focus intact.

Not to say the no Muslim had any role in it, the slavery, an ancient practice, was common in Roman world, also the10th century Vikings would sell men and women in open markets along Volga River and Caspian Sea.

But nothing in human history compares with the Atlanta slave trade (1441-1840) in volume, exploitation and brutality. Historic records are too many and too vivid to be ignored along with the (18th and 19th Century) literature condemning the black man to an inherent inferior position for a moral justification for his enslavement – something similar to what you are trying to do to Palestinians today.
Conclusive historic evidence: How did the huge number of black Africans end up in Americas – Not on work or business visas!>>

I tried to correct his perspective on slavery, like many other misconceptions he seems to carry and keeps paddling around with no care or concern for the facts.

And now (as I noticed while going to the next post) another IGNORANT with the same goal of paddling misinformation comes up with:

<<On the Atlantic slave-trade: of course, it was a subsidiary of the much-longer slave trade - which even pre-dates Islam - from sub-Saharan Africa to all points across the north and east.>>

Does he understand what he is talking about? Can he defend his statement? Ask him.

And then another outrageous lie manufactured by this misinformation paddler:

<< Muhammad had at least one African slave, Bilal, BEFORE Islam. I think he freed him when he converted.>>

Miserable commitment to the spread of misinformation!!

Hi NC,

Yes, according to Fernand Braudel, Bilal became the first Muezzin, presumably after Muhammad freed him.

The Atlantic slave trade lasted for four hundred years, from Brazil and the Caribbean to the American colonies, up into Canada.

The Muslim trade in African slaves lasted for perhaps 1200 or 1300 years - from, say, 700 AD up until, say, 2015, in Mauretania - or have they freed the slaves in Mauretania ?

Slaves from all parts (the Baltic, Greece and the Balkans countries, Ireland, sub-Saharan Africa) - built the palaces and fountains, and worked the fields, in Moorish Spain, according to the economic historian of Spain, Vicens Vives. Slaves grew sugar in Moslem Sicily and Syria.

Livingstone trekked all across Central Africa trying to stop the slave trade being operated by -- ?

Can you put your hand on your heart and swear that there is no slave trade into Saudi Arabia right now ?

Joe

Here's a pertinent little comment on the issues from someone who can hardly be stereotyped a white, redneck, racist:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Some countries have allowed Muslims to establish autonomous neighborhoods in cities where they govern by a harsh version of Islamic law, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said Monday during a speech in London... Jindal said some immigrants are seeking 'to colonize Western countries, because setting up your own enclave and demanding recognition of a no-go zone are exactly that.' He also said Muslim leaders must condemn the people who commit terrorism in the name of faith as 'murderers who are going to hell.'"

http://www.mail.com/int/news/uk/3310622-jindal-muslim-establish-no-go-zones-civic-control.html#.1258-stage-subhero1-1

YET ANOTHER SPIN BY THE SPIN-DOCTOR !

For those who may not have been able to link the discussion on the topic of Substantiation:-

Following was posted on Monday, 19 January 2015 12:06:22 PM by the Suspicious Person with Questionable Reliability:

"Every now and then McAdam and NC let slip their real motives.They appear to have a deep hatred of the West which they try to gloss over --but every now and then it slips-out."

I wrote the same day " He is seeing my "deep hatred for the west" in this, HOW? Substantiation is never his concern."

On 20 Jan the person states in his post ; "Substantiate ? What a joke,..."

Then he lists quotes from others. Not a single quote from me.

And the quotes of other persons; made in another context and from another thread..... And from another year..... Are being presented as substantiation of the allegation, that I have deep hatred for the West...... Is it sane?... This is joke...and a sick joke at that.

This is the habit of the person to level baseless allegations, to put spins and to tell lies, outright. This Suspicious Person is indeed with Questionable Reliability and he has repeatedly proved to be so.

Now he quotes a wild remark of Governor of Louisiana USA about behavior of Muslims in Europe; what a credible authority? As credible as a governor before him; Sarah Palin. What are credentials of this person to speak with authority on Europe? That is a specimen of research of the Suspicious Person with Questionable Reliability. His credibility is worth zero.

Hi McAdam,

Governor Jindal said:

"Some countries have allowed Muslims to establish autonomous neighborhoods in cities where they govern by a harsh version of Islamic law, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said Monday during a speech in London... Jindal said some immigrants are seeking 'to colonize Western countries, because setting up your own enclave and demanding recognition of a no-go zone are exactly that.'

"He also said Muslim leaders must condemn the people who commit terrorism in the name of faith as 'murderers who are going to hell.'"

Is what Jindal says true in any way ? Are there areas of British or French or German cities where shari'a is applied ? One hears of Bradford and Birmingham and Wolverhampton and parts of London - is this so, to your knowledge ? Should it be ? Should the rule of law, equality for all, etc., be overturned in favour of shari'a ?

He also suggests that Muslim leaders should condemn terrorism. Do you suggest that this is a 'wild statement' >?

Joe