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Black and white flag : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014

Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?

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Do you think it's okay to kill people who don't agree with your religious opinion?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Thursday, 15 January 2015 9:31:53 PM
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"what religion recruits murderers ....."

That religion is called "Power". Please refer to the confession of US Secretary of State, posted on this thread, of recruiting Mujahideen to destroy the Soviet Union. Most of the Mujahideen fighters were convinced through the paid clerics that they were serving their religion, by killing the rivals of Capitalism. Right?

Is the game over or is it on? That is the question. There are people who go for the easy to digest, regurgitated information, the likes of Murdoch provide "hold all Muslims responsible, for the crimes committed by any terrorist" this attitude is also displayed by some, who would like to receive knowledge through transfusion, without having to take trouble of seeking, analyzing and assimilating.
Fortunately, there are people like JK Rowling, who can question; how can the community be punished for individual crime? She has the alertness to notice that eight time more Muslims have been killed by the so called Muslims Terrorists which raises the question, who the real target is here?
Remember, Pakistan having suffered 56012 dead up till 2014 and double the number maimed at the hands of "Muslim Terrorists". Where these "Muslim Terrorists" come from? Example of recent massacre of 132 School children in Peshawar is illustrative. Immediately after the attack, the Pakistan Army Chief dashed to Kabul with forensic evidence of conduct of this heinous crime against humanity,by Mullah Fazalullah operating from Afghanistan. Further proof about "masters of the Mullah" was provided to US. John Kerry, in his just concluded visit to India, is reported in the Indian press, to have confronted Modi with undeniable evidence of Indian patronage of Mullah Fazalullah. One out come of Kerry Modi meeting is, that Mullah Fazaullah is placed on US list of international terrorists, before Kerry flies for meetings in Pakistan.

Now ask yourself again; "which religion recruits murderers?"
May we have the wisdom to encompass the answers to the difficult questions raised by the interesting times we live in, amen.

Any body calling amen a Jewish thing, can raise it again and we will discuss to know, it is not.
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 16 January 2015 1:43:33 AM
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Extract from Indian Press,for those who may need substantiation of my earlier post of the day:-

From Christina Palmer & Anjali Sharma
NEW DELHI- Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was humbled by the US Secretary of State John Kerry ...here on his official visit to India that was considered to be an advance visit by a high level US team in connection with the upcoming visit of the US President Barak Obama to India, later this month.
....Indian side .. refused to admit having any role in TTP-led terrorism in Pakistan...Premier Modi very blatantly stated that he and his government were so shocked to hear about the Peshawar School Terror that the schools and both the houses of the Parliament observed moment of silence to mourn the Peshawar School ....American team ...provided hard evidences of Mulla Fazalulla and RAW nexus in Afghanistan to ...terror in Pakistan... and also snubbed Modi over the ... role of his National Security Advisor Ajit Kumar Doval.... Modi and his team were grilled over the admissions of Ajit Doval of funding and utilizing TTP terrorists to destabilize Pakistan .... Modi was told to end India’s patronization of Mulla Fazalulla in Afghanistan and it was made it clear to Modi and his team that the US was about to place Mulla Fazalulla on list of global terrorists and an Indian pampering of him would jeopardize the US-India relations and can also have its implications on the upcoming visit of the US President to India. ... American side had done its homework in the backdrop of Pakistani Army Chief General Raheel Sharif’s recent high profile visit to the United States.....and most likely his handing over of certain solid proof to support his arguments during his US visit had .. .... it must bring an .... end to RAW-TTP nexus...
It may be mentioned here the former US Secretary of State, Chuck Hegel had also crystal clearly accused India of exporting terrorism to Pakistan via Afghanistan and his remarks in this regard ar still on ...record.
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 16 January 2015 2:46:53 AM
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Food for Thought!

MANILA, Philippines — Pope Francis suggested there are limits to freedom of expression, saying in response to the Charlie Hebdo terror attack that "one cannot make fun of faith" and that anyone who throws insults can expect a "punch."

The pontiff said that both freedom of faith and freedom of speech were fundamental human rights and that "every religion has its dignity."

"One cannot provoke, one cannot insult other people's faith, one cannot make fun of faith," he said. "There is a limit. Every religion has its dignity ... in freedom of expression there are limits."
(NBC News)

At the moment, Google has offered almost $300,000 to Charlie Hebdo, so it can continue publishing. The Guardian Media Group has chipped in $150,000 of its own. And France’s government has pledged more than 1 million euros. It’s a powerful gesture in favor of free expression. But I’m not sure it’s the kind of expression a government should want to pay for.
(Jordan Weismann)

Lines are clearly drawn, it's our choice, who we consider reasonable and who we side with;
The choice posed by the interesting times that we live in.
Posted by McAdam, Friday, 16 January 2015 3:44:04 AM
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Quote: Lines are clearly drawn, it's our choice, who we consider reasonable and who we side with...

Well, I don't know about you, McAdam, but I am for free, unlimited speech, for adults.

I do not accept that identical words by some can be considered hate speech, but when used by Muslims or by some confused, sacred text, cannot be criticized.

I stand with those who reject hate and violence, and that means that hate and violence in Western writings and hate and violence in the Quran.

I am against attacking villages, plunder, torture, burning crops, rape and slavery, whether by people of Western cultures or in Islamic societies, and by Mohammed himself. I doubt you can say that.

No excuses.

If you, the Pope, Western leaders and all Muslim societies are against SOME hate speech, but not against others; if you condemn discrimination in some places and not in others, that is something you must live with and you will sow what you reap. We will certainly pay for our foolishness and sins.

This whole Muslim thing and hate speech issue is just another PC maneuver so not to inconvenience Muslims with things they would rather not hear. And the band played kumbayah.

Oh yes, another terror operation in Belgium – must be those Baptists again.
Posted by kactuz, Friday, 16 January 2015 7:21:40 AM
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MacAdam et Cie,

How about a response to the flogging of naughty nookiers?

Can you tell us just how hard the strokes are, is their some official Islamic ruling on this?
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 16 January 2015 7:35:23 AM
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