NC,

My mind is fine, the old body not so much. I am glad you have noticed that I don't like Islam.

As to my "continued ignorant and bigoted insult you keep spouting on Islam", this is because I don't like ideologies that teach hate and violence. Seems reasonable to me!

As to "my Pope", he ain't mine. The last 8 popes that I can remember have been one disappointment after another, either for their stupidity about Islam, the materialism, the false piety or because of the abuses by pedophile priests.

As to "hatred of another belief system", I think you mean "hatred of a belief system that teaches hate".

Also, did you miss my question about being against attacking villages, plunder, torture, burning crops, rape and slavery, whether by people of Western cultures or in Islamic societies, and by Mohammed himself?

You didn't answer: Do you have any problem with your dear prophet's attacks on his neighbors?

Yeah, asking a question like that is hateful!!

KJK

Your practice of asking senseless questions is once again reflected in your second question:

<<2. How many innocent people do you think have been killed by your co-religionists in the name of religion while you have been gabbling and glozing in here about how wonderful Mohammed and Islam are>>

Whatever be the answer to the first part, you want me to say that
I <<have been gabbling and glozing in here about how wonderful Mohammed and Islam are>>.

When you did that last time (my posts of 26 Dec pages 24, 26),
I likened your question (my post 2 Jan P46) to the question:

“Is 7 plus 8 equal to 15, given that 6 is larger than 9 according to the mathematical principles”.

And now you top your senseless statement with yet another one by concluding that in my view <<it's okay to kill people who don't agree with your (my) religious opinion?>> because of my <<posts defending Mohammed and Islam.>>

Question1: Any chance of a reasoned exchange with you: None whatsoever.

Question2: Outcome of interacting with you: Shear waste of my time.

This is my last direct message to you.

From now on, I will not even read a message from you, whosoever it is addressed to.

Now you figure out the probability of you getting a response from me.

Secular Democracy, Kactuz

The statement (Luciferase 16th) <<Regarding who has knowledge, the man inside looking out, or the man outside looking in, neither has 20/20 vision>> makes sense.

But the statement re-emphasizing that people have <<a choice not to believe in a god>> was unnecessary in view of my earlier acknowledgement (post of 15h) <<A society adopting secularism expresses its “RIGHT” to choose>>

As for <<NC's panoply of alternatives>>, Luciferase misses the point.

I am not proposing what is good for Luciferase, or for anyone else for that matter.

I am only questioning Luciferase’s right to impose his favourite ‘best model’ on the rest of the world.

Luciferase has the right to choose the secular democratic model for running his country, fine. But why the rest of the world should have no choice other than what Luciferase specifies for it. Makes no sense to me!

Example of China is to make the point in discussion clearer.

Can Luciferase advise the readers:

1- Why should he impose his ‘best model’ on China; and

2- How possibly can he impose his ‘best model’ on China.

Kactuz,

You <<don't like Islam>> is the understatement of the year.

I can attempt a rational exchange on this, as long as it stays rational at your end.

We better start with Quran. It is easier to quote and the quotes are readily verifiable.

Let me know why you see (please quote) the violence in Quran that you keep referring to, your concern on Quran’s position on Trinity and whatever else you have in mind.

Also on your << The last 8 popes that I can remember have been one disappointment after another, either for their stupidity about Islam….>>

Are you implying the some of the 8 popes were stupid about Islam because of their respect for it? If not this, then what else, will help clarify your position to me for a meaningful exchange.

NC

Do you think your evasion and intellectual dishonesty aren't obvious to even a casual observer?

Stop squirming, and writhing, and twisting, and bucking on the line, and mind-reading, and trying to get out of it, and just answer the questions:
1. Do you think it's okay to kill people who don't agree with your religious opinion? Yes or no?
2. How many innocent people do you think have been killed by your co-religionists in the name of religion while you have been gabbling and glozing in here about how wonderful Mohammed and Islam are?

IT'S NOT SENSELESS. ANSWER THE BLOODY QUESTIONS! HOW MANY DO YOU THINK HAVE BEEN KILLED?

While you're at it, answer this: do you think it's okay for a 54-year old man to have sex with a 9 year old girl?

Just answer: yes or no?

Have you told your co-religionists that you think their religious beliefs are "senseless" and "outrageous"? Because that's what you're telling me when I ask you about them.

YOU'RE TELLING THE WRONG PERSON! YOU SHOULD BE TELLING THEM!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN HERE TELLING US HOW WONDERFUL ISLAM AND MOHAMMED ARE? WHY AREN'T YOU TELLING YOUR CO-RELIGIONISTS WHO ARE BUSY KILLING AND RAPING AND CRUCIFYING AND DECAPITATING PEOPLE, THAT THEIR RELIGIOUS OPINIONS, ACCORDING TO YOU, ARE SENSELESS AND OUTRAGEOUS?

No-one can be as dumb as you're pretending to be. You are either very stupid or dishonest. Which is it?

You have been brainwashed into believing that hate and lying are okay, that's all, and that's what you're doing.

You need to grow up, because mentally and morally you're operating at the level of a child, and if you had an ounce of intellectual honesty you'd admit it instead of trying to squirm out of it, you lying fool.

Violence in Scriptures - What is this discussion?

The issue is already settled. See following two posts:-
1. "I'm with McAdam on biblical violence, even in the New Testament" (Luciferase, 8 January)

2. "Deuteronomy 20:10-18
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.
15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Well gosh, I guess that settles it. It's there in and black and white in the Bible,... it says in that bloody enormous book...
My Good Book says I must wage genocide" ( Jonathon Swift, Friday, 9 January)

Violence is preached in Scriptures; every one knows it. Any body implying that it is only in QURAN, is not stating the truth and is wasting his/ her and every one else's time...move one ..... please.

If you still insist on pursuing the subject, do so sensibly; apply uniform criteria on all scriptures and let the reader be the judge. Without a scientific approach, the conjectures are worthless waste of time.
I get an impression that some of us are not sober while writing their posts...please be sober. Thanks.

"Are All Terrorists Muslims?
It’s Not Even Close

There are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam, yet most of those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims; statistics:

Less than 2 percent, attacks were committed by Muslims in Europe

As per Europol report released last year, majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups.
In 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe.
Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs, such as groups like France’s FLNC.
In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police in two French cities.
And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. In Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist.

In 2011, Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto.

Extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and in Sri Lanka.

Jewish terrorists?
Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks, including vandalization of of mosques and churches.

An FBI study Covering 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.
42 percent of terror attacks were by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.

And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered.

Did we ever hear the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities
(Dean Obeidallah)

All that mainstream media tells us is not true, in these interesting times.