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By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?
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Posted by SPQR, Friday, 16 January 2015 7:58:57 AM
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NC/McAdam
Do you think it's okay to kill people who don't agree with your religious opinion? Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 16 January 2015 11:40:06 AM
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KJK and Kactuz
JKJ Ignoring, for now, your ability to ask senseless questions (my posts of 26 Dec pages 24, 26; 2 Jan P46) I answer your question to me (15th) <<Do you think it's okay to kill people who don't agree with your religious opinion?>> with a question to you: Is there any of my posts that suggests to you a ‘yes’ from me to this outrageous question of yours (as above)? Quote my post(s), if you think so. Remember the rule: I will ignore your questions (and posts) until you answer my question. Also, more insensible question(s) from you will only convince me to ignore your questions and your posts, which I am doing in case of few of your associates already. Kactuz, On your continued ignorant and bigoted insult you keep spouting on Islam (your post of the 16th 7:21 AM): You even disregard suggestion of your Pope <<"every religion has its dignity.">> The miserable state of your mind is what you have earned through seething hatred of another belief system. Posted by NC, Friday, 16 January 2015 12:14:29 PM
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Of all the forms of governance, only secular democracy is principled upon not raising one man's voice above another's. Freedom of candidature, then one man, one vote. NC's panoply of alternatives fail this, often whilst faking an appearance otherwise.
From http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100246622/150-years-ago-today-abraham-lincoln-praised-government-of-the-people-by-the-people-for-the-people-but-the-words-were-not-his/ "........ freedom of conscience is inseparable from civil liberty, and that personal responsibility in spiritual matters (#) implies individualism in secular affairs. “Government of the people, by the people, for the people”" (# including a choice not to believe in a god.) Regarding who has knowledge, the man inside looking out, or the man outside looking in, neither has 20/20 vision. Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 16 January 2015 12:37:49 PM
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"Is there any of my posts that suggests to you a ‘yes’ from me to this outrageous question of yours (as above)?"
Why is the question outrageous? How many innocent people do you think have been killed by your co-religionists in the name of religion while you have been gabbling and glozing in here about how wonderful Mohammed and Islam are? It's your blatant evasion and intellectual dishonesty that's outrageous. To answer your question: All your posts defending Mohammed and Islam. Now stop your evasions and answer both my questions: 1. Do you think it's okay to kill people who don't agree with your religious opinion? 2. How many innocent people do you think have been killed by your co-religionists in the name of religion while you have been gabbling and glozing in here about how wonderful Mohammed and Islam are Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 16 January 2015 1:05:58 PM
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It is not Freedom of Speech, but Truth itself, which is at stake. Read on:-
.....Former President Nicolas Sarkozy condemned the violence as " attack on civilization." .... ..... ....The thought-control Western media, would not say that the very extremist forces Sarkozy helped to unleash from the illegal overthrow of the Libyan state share ideology with ISIS and have now killed his own people right in the capital of his republic. ....... A French satirical publication...is..allowed to denigrate Islam, but it would never be allowed to condemn Zionism and all its provable criminality. ...... So, Western "free speech" is really freedom for the powers-that-be to demean and demonize whomever the West requires for furthering its political interests. When free speech legitimately attacks Western interests,....Censorship is then the ironclad order. French comedian Dieudonné, ..has been banned ....for his farcical arm gesture,"Quenelle." ... Because the sign is considered "anti-Semitic" ..."anti-Zionist" and "anti-establishment." The comedian has been banned..in..Britain ...His friend Nicolas Anelka, was last year banned from playing soccer games in England and fined over $100,000 for signaling the Quenelle. .... Evidently, it's acceptable to insult Islam, according to Western select use of free speech because it suits political agendas of demonizing Muslim countries so that they can be attacked with Western warplanes or covert terrorist proxies. But it is not acceptable to satirize Zionism or Western ruling classes. And here is .... touchstone. Why is Press TV banned across Europe and North America? Where is Western free speech in that case?.... The truth of Western-sponsored state terrorism as practiced by the genocidal Israeli regime is ..shoved...under the spurious pretext of "anti-Semitism." ...All such views, no matter how intellectually rigorous, morally scrupulous and legally substantiated, must be censored, and those who articulate them must be hounded into isolation..... A satirical magazine championed by Western war criminals for its "free speech" to dehumanize Muslims is hailed as "heroic?" While an informative, serious news channel like Press TV is banned. Now that is farcical cartoon. (Finian Cunningham) The lines are clearly drawn between the seekers of truth and followers of propaganda of controlled mainstream media. Posted by McAdam, Friday, 16 January 2015 2:29:27 PM
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Yes indeed, its either one or other permutation on the ISIS/HAMAS/Hezbollah model which the McAdams-NC doctrine will inevitable lead to --or a liberal democracy. Those on the left need to think long and deep before supporting any more ayatollahs ala Iran.