Oh lookie, lookie NC has found another sycophant to sit beside Karen Armstrong on his shelf:

<<A sober advice in strong words is offered... Craig Minns for few days starting 29 Dec>>

So now he has two sources that say that Islam is the best thing since sliced bread :)

NC, a reply to your posts 31Dec-4Jan

My comments on Quran5:32 are exact. The verse is for jews. Are you saying the “real meaning” of “for the children of Israel” is “for Muslims”?

I said: "Quran forbids asking questions"....
You say: it is Muhkam Ayah and Mutashabih Ayah.
I explain: Quran5:101. You who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you.

I said: Quran says suns set in muddy field
You say: reference to zulqarnain
I explain: Quran18:83-86 “he found the sun setting in a spring of black muddy water”. From Abu Dawud (hadith)- Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

I said: "Muhammad as God's partner"
You said: God has no partners.
The Quran says: when Allah and His Messenger have decide a matter(33:36). He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allah(4:79-80). If they make decisions together and one substitutes the other, they are partners.

I said: "We" is Allah and Mohammed
You said: It is the Royal We.
I reply: Allah is all over the grammar book - first second and third persons. Is the “royal we” more important then “only god” theology? ’We’ in the Quran can refer to Allah and Mohammad as co-gods. Take Quran7:4. “And how many cities have We destroyed, and Our punishment came to them at night or while they slept”. Did Allah destroy or did Mohammad attack, or both? Mohammad attacked villages 50+ times, so it must be him and with his co-god taking credit for the terror.

I said: When Quran and Hadith disagree, Muslims obey Mohammad.
You say: question shows lack of knowledge of Islam
I correct: Quran says to pray 3times a day but Mohammad says 5times in hadith. How many times do Muslims pray? And “no compulsion in religion” (Allah) and “kill who changes his religion” (Mohammed). Who rules?

I said Islam is Irrational and violent
You say Islam is about peace and tolerance, or something.
I correct: Islam teaches hate, oppression and violence. My proof: the news, duhhhh.

NC

About the trinity (gobbledegook, you say). You defame Christian dogma but expect respect for Mohammed?

Still, I love a challenge. So let me try(?) to defend the Christian trinity.

1. It starts in Genesis. “Let us make man in our image”. Not ‘I’, but ‘us’ and ‘our’.
2. Also in Genesis: the spirit of god moved upon the water.
3. the Hebrew “elohim” (god) is plural . So the jewish ShemaYisrael says “the lord our gods (elohim) is one.”
4. Isaiah 9:6. For us unto us a child is born, called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
5. Isaiah 7:14. She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (God with us).
6. John 8:58. Jesus said, before Abraham was, I am. A reference to Exodus3:14.
7. John 10:30. I and the Father are one.
8. John 1:1-2. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
9. Matthrew 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
10. Why do you think the angels of God proclaim “Holy, holy, holy”? (Isaiah)

Frankly, the structural concept of the trinity, one god in three or three in one, is beyond me. I suppose nothing should exist if I don’t understand it, and God must explain his existence and constitution to me so I can approve and it can be true.

Anyway, after recent events in France, BokoHaram kills 2000. The NYT headlines “No safety for Christians in MidEast”, bombs in Yemen and Pakistan, and you still defend this vile ideology?

Just like the Paris murderers, you defend Mohammad. What about poor Allah? Muslims only care about their vile prophet.

As to my crime of disappearing and breaking the continuity of discussion; I apologize. I have a life and there are things like plumbing, paint, broken windows and playing taxi that require my attention – I have a life.

Yes, I am getting old. Thank you for your concern about my health.

Constance 1/3

Your post of the 10th << Reason for all killing and violence by muslim terrorists
Violent things in the Qur'an:->>

The translations, where given, are from Pickthall

Starting with lowest verse number:

<<4:56 Burn the Jews in fire>>
4:56 Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

Note: The word “Jew” as you say, IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE VERSE.
Mischief of an honourable? critic of Quran!

<<4:89 Those who turn renegade smite them and kill them>>

4:89 …. if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them.

It is about those who return to enmity. Aggression must be met with force – universally accepted principle!

<<4:95 Allah prefers those who fight.>>
4: 95 Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives……

Striving in the way of Allah is better than sitting still. Your take is not without mischief here too.

<<5:33 for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off.>>

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

Note: It is again a war in response to war. The description applied to a state of war that entails death and injuries. Are they not permitted in war?

Continued ….

Constance 2/3
<<8:39 Fight against them until there is no dissension and the religion is entirely Allah’s>>

8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

It is to fight persecution NOT dissension - mischief, yet again

<<8:60 use all you can of power against them including steeds of war>>

8:60 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.

Instructions for full preparations for the war that enemy is planning on you. What do you do? Don’t prepare for an upcoming war?

<<8:67 no prisoners until there has been a great slaughter.>>

The verse 8:67 was revealed just after the Battle of Badr. Where prisoners taking reduced the force that could have concentrated on crushing the enemy more severely, consequently the enemy attacked Madina soon after with a much larger force. The injunction called for the prisoner taking to be the second preference to subduing the enemy. What is wrong with this strategic advice.

Verse 9:5 Applied to the prevailing state of war. What do you do in that state? Not fight?

Look at the verse that follows:

9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.

<<9:29 “fight against those who do not believe in Allah”>>

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
Continued

Constance 3/3

The verse (9:29) belongs to the time when Muslim state was established. Tribute is translation of “Jizyah”, a tax on non-Muslims. Muslims paid taxes prescribed by their faith. Why should non-Muslim citizens of the state be excused from Tax?

<<9:73 “fight against the disbel3ievers”>>

9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

The key word is “strive” NOT “fight” as you insinuate.

<<17:33 ...let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life>>
17:33 And slay not the life which Allah hath forbidden save with right. Whoso is slain wrongfully, We have given power unto his heir, but let him not commit excess in slaying. Lo! he will be helped.

You apparently did not mean to quote this verse!!

<<32:21 we will make you suffer the near torment, torment in this life>>

32:21 And verily We make them taste the lower punishment before the greater, that haply they may return.

It is a wonderful hint on how Nature (?) warns humans for smaller lapses to guide them to improve. You get it wrong again!

<<47:4 "...Those who disbelieve smite their necks until you have inflicted slaughter on them, then secure their bonds.">>

47:4 Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. …..

Note “grace or ransom” after the war.

1- It is not at all what you imply.

2- Compare it with Deuteronomy 20:16 . ….DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING THAT BREATHES. Jonathon Swift (9th), and of course with a lot more – you honourable? critic of Quran!!

You will not quote Bible as pointed out!

<<60:4 an excellent pattern “hostility and hate for ever”>>

60:4 …. And there hath arisen between us and you hostility and hate for ever until ye believe….

It is a story of what Abraham and those with him said to their folk