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By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?
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Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 9 January 2015 7:06:35 PM
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Why the injunctions in the Quran to kill homosexuals and adulterers?
A simple question. Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 9 January 2015 7:25:25 PM
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Because God wants to.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Friday, 9 January 2015 10:17:06 PM
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Loudmouth,
"So Muslims were originally Jews by another name ? ..... and borrowing somebody else's entire religion, and then claiming it solely ..." No, Muslims never said they were Jews. They believe in the Prophets and in the Book Jews believe in. They do not consider themselves as Jews....never have, because of a fundamental difference. Muslims believe in equality of all human beings regardless of color, creed, or race. And believe in one set of rules that applies to all. Muslims are against assertion of one's superiority over others, as this results in double standards and therefore, is at the root of most of the problems faced by humanity...reflect on it. On "borrowing some body's entire religion", Muslim view is that there in One God one humanity and one message. It had to be repeated because, the followers could not keep the purity of the message. Remember, Jews became polytheists, during a time period of their history? Degeneration, necessitated renewal. Did Jesus say, he had brought a new religion?...... Later, Christians too, mingled the word of God with narration of events and accounts of life of Jesus, in one book. "Muhammad flying there on a horse, in order to climb up Jacob's Ladder to Paradise, the only pathway to Heaven in the Torah? " Can you quote reference from Quran, for the " horse" and "Jacob's ladder" If not, which you can not, as there is none, then please review the flimsy foundation of your prejudices against Islam. Your remark in an other post ...."ALL people, people other than our fellow-believers, have as much rights as we do, as much right to life, comfort and safety" ... lays the foundation of peaceful coexistence... If you mean it and if you can stick to it. Just add to it; "For you is your religion and for me is my religion". This is the same thing in essence as you say "If you don't try to convert me, I won't try to convert you :and we have the framework, we seek. Can you stick to it? Posted by McAdam, Saturday, 10 January 2015 3:23:32 AM
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http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/jerusalem-church-of-holy-sepulchre
“In 638, the Christians were forced to surrender Jerusalem to Muslim control under caliph Omar. In a remarkable gesture for the time, Omar refused to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, saying, "If I had prayed in the church it would have been lost to you, for the Believers [Muslims] would have taken it saying: Omar prayed here." This act of generosity would have unfortunate consequences, however." “The Church of the Holy Sepulchre continued to function as a Christian church under the protection of Omar and the early Muslim rulers, but this changed on October 18, 1009, when the "mad" Fatimid caliph Hakim brutally and systematically destroyed the great church." "Ironically, if Omar had turned the church into a mosque, Hakim would have left it alone. But instead, Hakim had wrecking crews knock over the walls and he attacked the tomb of Christ with pricks and hammers, stopping only when the debris covered the remains. The east and west walls were completely destroyed, but the north and south walls were likely protected by the rubble from further damage." "This was the church to which the knights of the First Crusade arrived to sing their Te Deum after capturing Jerusalem on July 15, 1099. The Crusader chief Godfrey of Bouillon, who became the first king of Jerusalem, declared himself Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri, "Defender of the Holy Sepulchre." http://www.islam101.com/humanRelations/mcrtGaB.htm “The Christians gave the key of the Church of Resurrection to Muslims to be responsible for its safety. This key is still with the Muslims today as a sign and symbol of the mutual trust.” http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/a-crime-against-peaceful-coexistence-muslims-burn-coptic-church-in-germany http://europenews.dk/en/node/88419 >>>> Jardine, the comments are there - go past the ads further down. Posted by Constance, Saturday, 10 January 2015 6:04:27 AM
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McAdam/NC,
Boko Haram has just butchered two thousand peole in north-east Nigeria. So when you assert, "Muslims believe in equality of all human beings regardless of color, creed, or race." As long as they're Muslim ? Any mercy for the non-Muslims in Nigeria, or in Pakistan ? For the Yazidis in Iraq ? What a worthless bunch of murderers. Je suis Nigerien et Yazidi. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 10 January 2015 6:29:51 AM
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"Even an occasional reader of Quran knows that Quran does not consider its message to humanity to be a new one. Quran, according to itself, is a continuation of the message given to humanity through Abraham, Moses, Jesus and many others. It calls itself a ‘Reminder’ of what humans were told before, through so many scrolls of the past."
So ...... Allah is the God of the Jews, 'reminding' Muhammad of the original books ? Islam is simply one off-shoot of Judaism ? A backward and stunted off-shoot perhaps, but just another branch of it ?
That would explain the attempt to borrow Jerusalem too, for the story about Muhammad flying there on a horse, in order to climb up Jacob's Ladder to Paradise, the only pathway to Heaven in the Torah ?
So Muslims were originally Jews by another name ?
Fascinating, from an atheist's point of view. I suppose people everywhere struggle to explain the world they find themselves in, and borrowing somebody else's entire religion, and then claiming it solely as one's own, is an easy way to do it.
Joe