Loudmouth, "Do you think we're all stupid out here ?"
Not all....But some certainly act like it.

A concerted effort is clearly discern-able to portray Muslims and Islam as a threat to the World. And props like IS are used to convince the world.
Now consider following statement of US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, "it is religious, it is idealogical....it will be long term" reflect on it, if you have the ability.
See an other statement repeated on this thread, by the person who appears to be deputed for this purpose; "..... When Muslims get the numbers" .Some one is clearly ,worried and is engaged in seeing to it that they don't get the numbers.

Now see these statements in contrast to the priorities of 99% of the Muslims who just want to get on with their lives. And we agreed, that the everyday Muslims have nothing to do with current violence.

I will place two points for the consideration of those, who can rise above religious prejudices and can examine them as world citizens; Just as Wold Citezens.

1. Muslim numbers. What is my concern with you being Muslim or what ever, when I say "For you is your religion and for me is my religion"? It worries the beneficiaries of the status quo, who know their greed is making the world increasingly unsustainable and is fueling the movements like Occupy- Wall Street. They need to preempt any threat to their control of wealth, and through it, the control of governments..and the world. They know Islam's view on the subject, you don't. Here it is; "It is essential to produce wealth but wealth enhancement and welfare of the society is not one and the same thing. Excessive greed and lust for wealth can play havoc with the harmony and sustainability of a society. Therefore purely economic phenomenon of development and wealth production can not be divorced from the social, cultural and political considerations" ( Ilmul Iqtisad,1903,Iqbal, page 58) Quran forbids usury 2:275

Did you know, when did they go after Jesus?
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Did you know, when did they go after Jesus? Not when he was restoring sight of the blind, not when he was curing the leper, not even when he was raising the dead from the grave....no, no, it was when he checked the exploitation of common man by the money changers.

Capitalism has won a war over Communism in the twentieth century but problems of humanity have not been solved. They want to win the next round, before even it starts...and gullible of the world like you, are their vanguard. Go on Don Quixote, go on your adventure....It is foolish and totally unnecessary adventure. Fighting an idea with bullets is doomed to fail. That is lesson of human history.

Now the statement of the Chairman, becomes understandable.

2. Let me request your wisdom to ponder over the rise of IS in an occupied country and their amassing billions and heavy armaments in the environment in which the flow of money and weapons is closely watched. And they thrive in desert , without any air cover with all their big flags in an environment where nothing is hidden? And they do exactly what the projectors of Islam as a threat would like; beheadings and high visibility crimes necessary to sustain the world support for this "long term effort"

Do not dismiss this as a conspiracy theory. You must take into account the budget of the west for clandestine activities, which exceeds the entire budget of the developing world. It's affect must be taken into account, and also the fact that West has been using Muslim zealots for their purpose, thus far.

The truth of media can be judged by listening to both sides. Listen to West's view on Ukraine for example and compare it with Russian view. Truth is some where in between. Those who take one sided view as truth, stand on precarious grounds.

Now answer your question yourself, if you are stupid or not! But it does't matter what you think, they know you are; you believed in Iraqi WMD, you believed that Saddam stood for Islam; didn't you?

".... and also the fact that West has been using Muslim zealots for their purpose, thus far."

How does one make a Muslim a zealot?

Is Mise, one makes a Muslim a zealot the same way one makes a Jew a Zealot (the original Zealots were a militant Jewish sect distinguished for their fanaticicism http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=zealot, or a Christian, or a Hindu, or a Feminist, a Bolshevik, a Fascist, etc, etc, etc.

It's not easy, most people given the same treatment don't become zealots, but some have the specific personality traits to do so. I haven't seen any literature on the subject, but it seems to me that zealotry is a form of Borderline Personality Disorder. If you're not familiar with that terrible affliction, it's one of the most destructive of the personality disorders, both for the one afflicted and for those around them. It's characterised by what's known as Splitting; ideas and people are rigidly defined as either irredeemably bad or ideally good and things that are good are always on probation. A good thing can be switched to bad for a single departure from the ideal. It's a tragic affliction and it's on the rise all over the world.

What's needed is

1.exposure to traumatising experiences, either directly or vicariously.
2.poor emotional regulation. Because emotions are experienced as overwhelming, they are either rigidly suppressed or wallowed in with little cognitive processing.
3.because of 2, there is a desperate desire for some kind of guiding narrative to provide the certainty that they crave.
4.3 can lead easily to a blind, self-sacrificing loyalty to some abstract cause without any deliberate involvement of others, but BPD makes people very vulnerable to emotional manipulation and so they are easily recruited as cannon fodder.

Attacking Islam weakens the case of the people who might be able to help. The only known effective treatment for BPD is called dialectical behavioural therapy, replacing bad narratives with better ones and it can only work with the willing cooperation of the sufferer.

Man up and hold out your hand in trusting friendship. Or hide in paranoid fear shouting insults behind your self-erected walls forever.

Hi Craig,

Fascinating ! You certainly could be onto something, that explains so much.

Not just of fascists like Islamists, but - in my sixty-odd years of experience - of many on the Left, what is usually called 'the extreme Left', and of course, of many devoutly religious people. After all, to many on the Left, what they devoutly believe in is in fact a religion. Try to argue or change their ideas and the response is identical to that of arguing with a Jehovah's Witness, albeit somewhat more violent. Been there, done that :(

So, in my recollection, there are many such people who treat, say, Marxism as something utterly unchangeable: to suggest modification is apostasy. So they still dream of (but rarely plot or plan these days) a workers' revolution, in which clearly they will play the roles of executioners and apparatchiki, purifiers of the revolutionary cause, and its natural leaders.

Thank god they don't have AK-47s too. Currently, only members of the religion of peace seem to be using those.

Yes, fascism takes many forms. Compare early Bolshevism with early [Mussolini's] fascism - no wonder so many 'progressives' in 1920 or so couldn't really see any difference, and praised both. Bertrand Russell seemed to be to be only one to get it right. And what did he compare Bolshevism too ? [pp. 74-75: ...... Bolshevism]

You've got it: Islam. You can't fool all the people all the time.

Joe

McAdam/NC,

Back to REVERT that they call Converts which you haven’t answered. This would imply that nothing else exists or ever existed outside Islam. Yes? Dar El Salam? Infidels (Non Believers) as there is only one belief. Connect the dots.

Your non response to my queries of honour killings, absence of knowledge of Boko Haram having kidnapped and enforced conversions of Christian school girls and now the recent annihilation of a whole town in Nigeria. Nigeria is 50% Christian and they want it to become a total Islamic state. Correct?

The killings of school children in Pakistan. So their aim is non education and advocacy of ignorance. Especially of any other knowledge or customs outside of Islam. Hence, you have Madrassas. You can only study the Koran – nothing else.

A friend ‘s Muslim manager at work said one day to him “that Tony Abbott keeps on calling ISIS terrorists, they’re not”. This man would be perceived to be a moderate Muslim. So if he doesn’t think ISIS are terrorists, what would they be then? What would be the more appropriate description of these killers? And is there such a thing as a moderate Muslim?

Just recently another friend’s sister went to her doctor and saw a spare seat on a lounge where a family of Muslims were sitting in the waiting room. As soon as she went to sit down they all got up and walked to the other side of the room. She sat there remaining on the six seater alone feeling quite strange.

This also reminds me of an elderly man I knew who went to board a bus one day and this young Muslim man just went and pushed passed him and said to him “you know I can kill you”.

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