Loudmouth and Co, "Boko Haram has just butchered two thousand peole in ..Nigeria."

Terrible and condemnable in the strongest possible terms, if it is so. I did not see this news. And frankly, I have no clue about the Boko Haram; who they are. What they do, is definitely not the Islam, that I know of.
Who these Boko Haram people report to? I don't know, but wonder why some people, like the beheading thugs of IS, paint Islam's picture, that anti Islam forces would like to be projected.

Dhimmi, in ancient times had exemption from military service and paid a tax, in lieu, so what? Assessing ancient practices, with present days frame of reference, is out right silly. If you had an example such as a Muslim and non Muslim having different punishments for committing the same crime, as is being practiced in apartheid Palestine today, that would be a relevant example of treating people differently.

On the violence in Quran? ? Didn't you read the violence in Bible posted on this very thread?( Jonathon Swift, Friday, 9 January) and "I'm with McAdam on biblical violence, even in the New Testament" ( Luciferase 8 January)
Same is for people obsessed with homosexuality and adultery. Did you not read, much severer injunctions of Bible on the subject, on this very thread. (my post of 08 January)

Having agreed that actions of a few can not justify lumping all Muslim together, there is an attempt again to put Muslims on spot.
Are you:-
a. Blind that you do not read posts on this thread about violence and anti homosexuality/adultery injunctions in Bible? or
b. Do you suffer from memory loss or have comprehension or retention problems? or
c. You are bigoted and keep going back on your words of not lumping Muslims together? or
d. Are you compulsive rubbish dealers and have to post rubbish, any way? or
e. Are you insensitive to wasting own and other person's time by repetitions ?
In any of these cases you are not worthy of wasting one's time on; good luck with your harping.

What the Bible says is no excuse for things that are in the Koran.

Now do you believe the Koranic injunctions to be right
when they advocate the killing of homosexuals and/or adulterers?

Simple questions.

McAdam,

You dare to write:

".... frankly, I have no clue about the Boko Haram; who they are. What they do, is definitely not the Islam, that I know of.
Who these Boko Haram people report to?"

Do you think we're all stupid out here ? Of course, you know about Boko Haram - two thousand people killed this week in the name of Allah ? By a vile terrorist group which has pledged allegiance to IS ? You pretend not to know ? Christ, you must be getting desperate, to use the flimsiest excuse to deny that Islam CAN BE violent, repulsive, fascist. You're a liar.

And as an atheist, I don't give a toss about what Jews or Christians did two or three thousand years ago. What have people claiming to follow YOUR Book, and to believe in YOUR god - what have they done lately ? This week ? In Yemen, Nigeria, France, and god knows where else.

Do you understand English ? I did not say that Muslims were Jews, only that they borrowed vast amounts of Jewish texts and stories for the Koran etc., so that the forms of Islam, to a large extent - its literate foundation anyway - have been not much more than stunted offshoots of Judaism - in much the same way as Christianity is a development, and an offshoot in that sense, of Judaism.

For example,

"Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success ". 9: 111"

So Allah was abiding by the Torah and Christian Gospels ? I.e. "binding on Him" ? Barbaric and brutal for all that. What's this obsession with killing ? What a loveless god.

[TBC]

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And if not for Muhammad's fabled flying to Jerusalem, then how on earth can Islam claim any link whatever with Jerusalem ? In what way is Jerusalem a holy city for Muslims ? Or are some of you just a pack of thieves as well as murderers ?

These verses have me puzzled:

"48:18 Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto thee beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and hath rewarded them with a near victory;
"48:19 And much booty that they will capture. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise."

Not just the crude appeal to crime, but if Allah gave the Koran to Muhammad in the beginning, how can it go on about "..... Allah was well pleased with the believers ..... etc. "?

And you replied to Luciferase:

"Do you really believe that there is a war going on between the Muslims and the rest of the world.? There could be nothing more idiotic for Muslims to pursue. They have bigger wars to win; the war on ignorance, war on poverty, war on internal disunity and so on."

You've had 1400 years: when are you going to get started ? Will you ever get started ? Will the rest of us have to suffer in the meantime ?

Joe

THE EXTREMISTS

Extremists of this age are many types within many layers of current societies.

The types relevant to this thread are two: Muslim Extremists and Anti-Muslim Extremists.

A tiny minority of Muslim extremists out of 1.6 billion Muslims today have resorted to violence including suicide bombing.

Irrespective of the events contributing to the current state of terrorism - a subject worth examining as a topic in itself - the fact remains that the entire Muslim population forcefully condemns these mindless crimes targeting innocent civilians.

Muslims consider these crimes directed against humanity and Islam – a message echoed in this thread repeatedly.

And then there are the Anti-Muslim Extremists.

In case of this thread, the Author of article points out an obvious gap between crime of a deranged mind and the religion of Islam.

Enter the Anti-Muslim Extremists (AMEs). Furious on this rational statement they dedicate their posts to blaming Muhammad and Quran for the act.

On Muhammad and Quran, they stick to the dark-age narratives generated by the medieval mindset totally abandoned by present main-stream research.

Without responding to the research of the hundreds of upright individuals and institutions like Encyclopaedia Britannic, they continue using the baseless narratives to peddle hatred against 1.6 billion Muslims.

They don’t realise that their efforts can hurt many.

The AMEs include apparently devout Christians – Kactuz and Loudmouth (kacmouths) cry violence in Quran ignoring what, for example, Jonathon Swift’s post of 9 Jan (Deuteronomy 20:10-18). Of course, the cited references are NOT the only examples.

A sober advice in strong words is offered to kacmouths by Craig Minns for few days starting 29 Dec.

But they continue peddling hatred against Islam and Muslims. This seems to be their mission. No amount of rational exchange can make them see the dreadful face of their designs.

The question now is whether or not the western society can and will act against these hate peddlers, the AMEs, the kacmouths

NC,

Is that the limit of your stunted sense of morality ?

".... Kactuz and Loudmouth (kacmouths) cry violence in Quran ignoring what, for example, Jonathon Swift’s post of 9 Jan (Deuteronomy 20:10-18). Of course, the cited references are NOT the only examples."

First, you claim that Islam is a religion of peace and its books preach peace - so we (Kactuz and me) cite from the multitude of brutal examples of violence in the Koran: you asked for it, you got it.

Second, then, like a six-year-old, in response to those examples of violence in the Koran, you use some 3,000-year-old crap from the Old Testament/Torah to show that 'well, they do too ! So there !'

Do you have any concept how infantile that sounds ? 'Yeah, all right, violence is in the Koran, but look, it's in those other books too !' As if one cancels out the other ? Do you have any notion of right and wrong at all ? Along those lines, I still remember a Private Eye cartoon about LBJ raping a Vietnamese girl and saying something like that about Ho Chi Minh in the background. Thank god for satirical magazines.

A multitude of wrongs can never make a right. I readily admit that at some time in history, atheists have committed horrific crimes - Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot for starters, people who were not only atheists but who committed crimes in its name, killing millions of believers precisely because they were believers (and millions of others because they were thinkers). But whatever they called themselves, they also were taking the quick, fascist option which Islamists across half the world are now taking. It was evil then, it's evil now.

Joe