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By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?
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Posted by McAdam, Thursday, 8 January 2015 3:21:08 AM
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kactuz, "back "....... but no wiser; still pedaling your half truths, twisted interpretations and hatred.
You claim Quran 5:33-34 are from Talmud, so? Islam is not a new religion, it is continuation of the same message of Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and other prophets, necessitated by the failure of keepers of those messages to preserve the purity of the message with them. You say that it is not 5:33-34 that represents what Muslims truly stand for but 9:111 is. Read on; "Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success ". 9: 111 So, this too is the same message. It reiterates that the fight is only permissible in the just cause of God and for no other reason, SO? And this too is the repetition of teaching in the Torah and in Bible, SO? Armed with this half truth and your characteristic erratic interpretations, you want the reader to believe your interpretation that Islam stands for violence. And you expect readers to find you more credible that the likes of Karen Armstrong, who writes "So why the suicide bombing, the hijacking and the massacre of innocent civilians? Far from being endorsed by the Koran, this killing violates some of its most sacred precepts" and "In the Koran, therefore, the only permissible war is one of self-defense. Muslims may not begin hostilities (2: 190)." It is for the readers to decide who they find more credible and those who find you so, good luck to them. Certain things never change and one of them is you Kactuz. Posted by McAdam, Thursday, 8 January 2015 5:52:57 AM
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Hi McAdam,
I owe you a sort of apology for my incomplete summation of the Koran: I should have said that it was not only a ridiculous mish-mash of desert traditions, garbled oral memories of bits from the Torah and the New Testament, but that - by hanging onto outdated and primitive precepts - its followers were backward 'thinkers' as well. A parrot is not necessarily a thinker. When people can join the contemporary world of open and often heated discussion, genuine debate instead of assertions of authority (which mean nothing to non-believers), and demonstrate a willingness to change their minds if glaring faults are pointed out, there is not much point in trying to argue with parrots. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 8 January 2015 7:50:24 AM
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McAdam/NC,
Are you sure you have respect for Christianity? Doesn’t sound like it. Tit for tat is child’s play especially when you have no argument. It looks like you are in total denial of the history of Muslim invasions throughout the world. Comment please? Posted by Constance, Thursday, 8 January 2015 7:51:48 AM
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@ Constance --absolutely spot-on.
For McAdam and NC it is all about promoting the interests of their tribe --and they will close their eyes and blocking ears to anything that shows a side of their tribe they dont want displayed. All brought to us through the generous sponsorship of multicultural Australia ;) Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 8 January 2015 8:12:58 AM
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Hi Joe,
Jihadi Terror Isn't "Crazy," It's a Manifestation of Islamic Theology http://europenews.dk/en/node/88457 Exactly. Our dishonest academics have contorted our history. I’m finding more and more enlightening websites including this German! one. When the Commies failed, bitterness remained (Frankfurt School ) and so taking over our universities and spreading propaganda against Democracy and the Western Capitalist system. Their aim is to cause divisiveness and chaos in the West in order to bring it down. I have a lot more reading to do, just discovered this site. It has confirmed all my long held suspicions. The Crusades are always portrayed as the aggressors – WHY? Because these Leftist Marxist academics have BRAIN WASHED their students bringing in the recent phenomena of minority rights such as Feminism, Gay Marriage, Multi Culturism, corrupted human rights (anti Church propaganda) and of course hatred of Western heritage etc. Hence wanting family breakdown in their pursuit of Socialism so the State becomes Big Daddy. As a consequence we are losing our freedom by the sinister force of political correctness. We have been conned. The Catholic Church has always been their greatest enemy. I’ve also read that there has been Commie infiltration of the CC. See Bella Dodd. If this all isn’t oppressive, I don’t know what is. “Somehow, Orwell wrote in June 1945, just before the publication of Animal Farm, the religious attitude to life must be restored. Christian thinkers were right to believe ‘that if our civilisation does not regenerate itself, it is likely to perish — and they may be right in adding that, at least in Europe, its moral code must be based on Christian principles’. Like T.S. Eliot, Orwell saw the delusion of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good.” Posted by Constance, Thursday, 8 January 2015 8:39:22 AM
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"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." (Luke 16:18 )
And the punishment of adultery is death, so put all those divorcees who remarry, to death, how practicable?
And the belief:-
"The doctrine of the Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Stated differently, God is one in essence and three in person. These definitions express three crucial truths: (1) The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, (2) each Person is fully God, (3) there is only one God."
And:-
"The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.
Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God."
There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P.G., X, 986)."
How clear?
And believers of these gobbledegook say "Islam is ridiculous" see who is talking!
Remember, I reminded you;
"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." Quran 109:6
Look at your glass house, before throwing stones at others....and grow out if this childishness that you keep dragging this discussion into.
Note: quotes are from secondary sources, please feel free to point out mistake, if any.