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Islam is more of a political force than religious. The site states about 60% political and about 60% anti infidel rhetoric in Koran. Why do they always bring up Palestine and nothing else? They have no rituals (metaphysics). All you need to say is a few words and you instantly become a Muslim. Same with Divorces. say it about 3 times and its done (only by the male – females have no say of course).

Islamic version of peace is only when we are all under their submission. Dar al Salaam.

Kactus,

Obviously Merkel has been bought off, like the rest of the worlds leaders, and news media. A year or two ago both she and Cameron said that Multiculturism was a dismal failure.

We are told that in the Quran the only permissible war is on of self-defense, and, Muslims may not begin hostilities.

A question to McAdam and NC, perhaps, are these the reasons why Islam is on the offensive? i.e. does the Muslim world generally believe that hostilities have been initiated against it and that it is in self-defense mode?

Does Charlie Hebdo fit the bill for attack on the above basis?

Constance,

In your messages of the 8th, I don’t find answer to my question (of 7th) addressed.

I presume that you want to pursue the discussion as a Christian.

As a follower of a scripture yourself and (presumably) being fully aware of the violent content of Bible and Torah you may have realised the futility of targeting Quran (only) for violence, and that too because of ‘what is NOT in Quran’ as opposed to ‘what is in Quran’.

Let us not forget that these scriptures addressed humanity which was quite different from present-day human societies. Also, the scriptures addressed even simplest of the simple minds. Within that material all three scriptures have a wealth of wisdom buried for those who have the ability to see.

On your <<Are you sure you have respect for Christianity? Doesn’t sound like it.>>

Can I ask you what makes you think that I “have no respect for Christianity” ?

If I did not say such a thing (my statements are on record in these posts), should you really say what you have said?

I leave it you.

And now you seem to be bringing an undesirable subject in discussion by:

<<It looks like you are in total denial of the history of Muslim invasions throughout the world. Comment please?>>

This is the topic of the ‘followers’ that I pointed out as difficult to handle in my previous messages. Apart from the indefensible ‘habits’ of the kings of the east and the west, the subjectivity in interpretation of historic events that we all carry will not allow us to see the records the same way. Discussion in this environment is bound to get lost in a futile blame and counter-blame exercises.

For instance, if your attention is drawn to a well recorded reasonably recent episode of the colonial onslaught against Muslims (as well as non-Muslims) by western nations (not just kings), imagine where the discussion will take us.

I suggest that we avoid it.

This is why nothing changes….
Quote: Muslims Around The World Condemn Charlie Hebdo Attack… Muslim leaders and activists immediately denounced the terrorists actions, reiterating the verse in the Quran that tells Muslims when one kills just one innocent person, it is as if he has killed all of humanity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/07/muslims-respond-charlie-hebdo_n_6429710.html
“tells Muslims”? The verse says “we have ordained for the children of Israel…”

We may forgive our Muslim friends here their ignorance and misquotes of Quran 5:32, but when Muslim leaders do it, as above, it is pure deceit. As I said, Muslims can’t find a peaceful verse, so they make it up.

Note that in the comments by Muslims, none ever ask why these things happen. Nobody ever considers if Islam might contribute to terror in any way. To be Muslim is to ignore simple facts and naked reality. A Muslim, by definition, has no problem with hatred and brutality, because that is what the Quan and hadith teach.

Mac, you said it: They fight in Allah's Cause, so they (Muslims) kill and are killed. Oh yeeah, because Allah says so, killing is A-OK!

Another thing, Mac, thanks for quoting the Bible. Have you ever noticed how much better written it is than the mumble-jumble of the Quran? The prose in the Bible is actually readable (except for the “minor prophets” portion, in my opinion)

And another thing: The trinity is God, Jesus and Mary! Haven’t you ever read your scripture, the perfect Quran? You should be rooting for Mary, not pushing the Holy Spirit concept. Correct the Christians and then ridicule them.

To the Angry lot, Your anger and use of abusive language, shows .... end of reason with you.

Assuming, you are educated persons;
You must have written Theses or Dissertations and interacted with your professors/ dissertation committees. How do you think, they would have reacted to your proposed thesis; Quran preaches violence?
Wouldn't they ask you to define violence first and also require you to be specific about the determinant; Violent in comparison to what?

Then the wording of your approved thesis would probably start on the lines"Quran is more violent, in the following sense........, compared to such and such scriptures...."

And then they would require you to list all relevant passages in all scriptures and then apply uniform criteria and let the reader see clearly and undeniably if Quran contained injunctions inviting more violence, or not.

Without, these steps, your assertion that Quran preached more violence, is of zero credibility, to the discerning eyes.

The same applies to people fond of using the phrase; "ridiculous Islam". They too need to define "ridiculous" first and then judge their own belief system on the same criteria and they are sure to see, how ridiculous they and their beliefs are.

You have been relentlessly posting one-eyed quotes, and now one post containing quotes from the scripture you believe in, knocks you off balance; you are out of your depths. And you still can't see the hollowness of your stand and the slippery ground of lies that you stand on.

What am I saying that angers you? "One yardstick". Your refusal to apply one yardstick, means you are confessing that you stand on lies.

Me parrot? If I was, I too would be parroting; "gobbledegook, gobbledegook" of Trinity, without applying my mind first.

The "tit for tat", is not childish. It exposes your dishonesty to you. You mock other scripture for having, what is already in your scripture. Do you see, how dishonest you are?

Dear angry lot, what you post, without any logical grounds and reason is Rubbish.
Remain in Rubbish; if that is where you elect to be.