NC et al,

All well and good but do you, as a follower of Muhammad, believe in death for homosexuality?

If a simple 'Yes' or 'No' is thought to be inadequate, you may say "I so believe" or "I do not believe in death for homosexuals".

Is Mise,

A point of more basic nature is that individual has no right to take law in own hands. Law enforcement is the exclusive prerogative of the state. Letting it be usurped by individuals results in the Inquisition like situation or like the local informal rural courts decreeing raping women for marrying out side their clan, as in India or as in a similar case of Mukhtran Mai in Pakistan.

An other point is about your honesty, which you have put in serious doubt.Did you hold the Christianity as a religion and Christians as its practitioners responsible for Waco Siege which resulted in violent death of 82, persons, after a 50 days stand off? Did you put the Seventh-day Adventist Church or Christianity on the mat, like you are repeatedly trying to put Islam on trial for an act of a lunatic. If you were too young, at the time of Waco Siege, have you put your co religious or their religion on the mat for numerous crimes committed ever since?

You are not in this discussion, with clean hands, do you see?

And what is your right of questioning other people's beliefs? Are you intolerant of diversity or of freedom of religion?

Just answer the question, Mac, or are you afraid that your co-politico/religionists will kill you as an apostate if you answer that homosexuals should not be killed?

Shew us all that you consider Islam to be in error in this matter.

Is Mise,
How many homosexuals have been put to death, in what country?

What is your point? Other than taking the forum on a wild goose chase; is it sensible?

This may be a subject very close to your heart, I am not interested in this discussion any further

Clearly, you have run out of sensible points on the subject and are trying to take refuge in diversion, digression and out right dishonesty.

You insist on receiving the answers to the questions you have raised, while at the same time, parrying the ones I have asked; is it honest?

McAdam/NC,

You wrote:

"And what is your right of questioning other people's beliefs? Are you intolerant of diversity or of freedom of religion?"

Everybody should have the right to question other's people's beliefs, especially when so many horrific crimes are committed in the name of those beliefs. You can question mine any time you like, those of an atheist, and you can - and should - do so straight after any string of atrocities committed by anybody in the name of atheism.

After all, if crimes are committed in the name of atheism - in its name, not just because some vile killer happened to be an atheist - then you and everybody else would be entitled to know if there was any link between the teachings of atheism, such as they are, and the crimes committed in its name.

When any dreadful crimes are actually committed in the name of Atheism, please feel free to demand of me how such acts could be committed, and whether I support them, in the name of atheism.

Until then, I'll feel free to query whether or not the vile crimes of IS can be reconciled with the Koran. So far, you have agreed that the following crimes don't square with the Koran, and therefore are totally unIslamic:

* honour killings;

* rape and enslavement of non-Muslim women;

* beheading of non-Muslim children;

Would you also agree that the mass-murder of captured soldiers goes against the Koran ?

Just out of curiosity, would you agree that men and women are equal in law ? That women have, or should have everywhere, the same rights as men ?

Oh hello, Poirot, you're so quiet, I didn't see you there ......

Joe

Is Mise,

On your question:

<<All well and good but do you, as a follower of Muhammad, believe in death for homosexuality?>>

Question1: what do you see “well and good” in my response to you that you refer here. Be clear and to the point.

For the background:

I have never been asked this question in my life. There was never a situation that I had to pose this question to myself. I have not seen this issue discussed in a Muslim society and have not read even an article on it, let alone a book.

Now for an informed answer to your question, I must:

1. Research Quran, knowing the high value it assigns to human life – but that would be the easier part;

2. A hugely time consuming part would be studying Haidths on the subject:

a. making sure the Quran’s injunction are NOT conflicted;

b. Studying ALL material on the subject, knowing that these verbal accounts do differ from each other even to the extents of contradicting each other sometimes.

c. Deciding which ones of the verbal accounts I must prefer over the others and why.

3. Review the “Ijtehad” work done on the subject, if any.

The above effort is an absolute pre-requisite of a responsible answer.

The time needed for this exercise is not a matter of days, we are talking about months.

Now Question 2: What makes you so important for me to spend this much time to answer you?

Question 3: What authorises you to ask me a faith related personal question, knowing that your environment and your legal system gives you no right for this.

I will wait for you answers.

Recall my response to your associates: The right to ask questions is not yours only and I mean it.