NC,

"Quran does not authorise honour killing, how can Sharia? "

Then why are they taking place in the UK, as Dr Dalrymple describes?

As far as I am aware, I don’t see honour killings taking place in any other religion or culture outside Islam.

Following my previous post, are you able to provide any explanation for this?

Constance
" honour killing,.....why are they taking place in the UK...As far as I am aware, I don’t see honour killings taking place in any other religion or culture outside Islam.

Please see the following quote from Daily Mail, UK, dated 20 November 2014.

"New 'honour killing' murder shocks India after bride's father allegedly strangles her and burns the body days after marrying a man from the 'wrong' caste
Police claim Bhavna Yadav was murdered in brutal case of honor killing
The 21-year-old woman was Yadav from Rajasthan but married a Punjabi
Days after they married, her parents are accused of strangling her
Her parents confessed to the crime when interrogated, according to police
By COREY CHARLTON FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 08:24 EST, 20 November 2014 | UPDATED: 12:44 EST, 20 November 2014

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2842444/New-honour-killing-murder-shocks-India-bride-s-father-allegedly-strangles-burns-body-days-marrying-man-wrong-caste.html#ixzz3Nd4NZU31
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See Constance, your knowledge on the subject is insufficient. One needs much deeper knowledge to differentiate between "cultural" and "religious".
Islam- phobia is evident from the way you have framed the question.

It is up to you, to equip your self with up to date knowledge or remain stumbling with half knowledge.

McAdam,

Okay, that is only one instance which would hardly compare to what is occurring in the UK. You still have not given any explanation for what is occurring in the UK? The psychiatrist is talking about hundreds of cases. Why are you ignoring my question and diverting to one example in another culture.

Anxiety - yes, phobia - no. Islamophobia is a politically correct construct used for the purpose of humiliation by totalitarians including the liberal elitists. PC has its origins in Communism.

Would you consider the victims of honour killings to have had any reason for fear or anxiety?

Is Mise, Joe and Constance 1 of 2
Is Mise,
Thanks for your response. The subject concluded. Good wishes for you and goodbye.

Joe,

After:

• pressing for few days for a “yes or no” answer to a question like “Is 7 plus 8 equal to 15, given that 6 is larger than 9 according to the mathematical principles”;

• making ludicrous statement that Quran was written more than 100 years after Muhammad’s death and totally failing to return with a reference despite repeated reminders; and

• repeating questions which were already answered.

Now you have another one for me!

<<How does that sit with you ? A simple 'yes/no' answer would be okay :)>>

Sorry my friend,

direct interaction with you is a risky business:

you can take discussion anyplace imaginable even when it is totally out of sync with rationality;

you ask pseudo-logical questions with inbuilt falsehood;

and then you repeat and repeat and repeat your questions.

I have more important things to do.

I will, however, keep trying to address worthwhile questions in this thread, especially coming from open minds.

Constance,

On your <<"Quran does not authorise honour killing, how can Sharia? " …. Then why are they taking place in the UK, as Dr Dalrymple describes?>>

Continued ..

Is Mise, Joe and Constance 2 of 2

Constance Continued ..

The answer is simple: Lunatics justify their deeds with whatever authority they can use – a universally verified phenomenon.

Having been to over one dozen countries in five continents for considerable lengths of time in most cases, I have observed deplorable social practices (not exclusive to Muslim countries) –

amply clarified with examples by McAdam in his response to you 2nd.

I have also seen people presenting their moral justifications from any source accessible to them. The justifiers are everywhere – details are too long for this post.

While I have a deep respect for Muhammad and Quran (as their humble student), I will not spend one minute in defending the present-day Muslim society.

Also, from my limited look at history and overview of the present world, I have no doubt that west has made tremendous advances in effective legal systems and social justice within its societies.

Age of reason has given west, it never had before.

On a related issue, justice to the other societies is another subject. If it sticks to the path of its current advancement, the west may be able to achieve that as well, one hopes.

The above answers your question: <<As far as I am aware, I don’t see honour killings taking place in any other religion or culture outside Islam.>>, at least in part.

It is all about lunatics who exist everywhere. And deranged minds must also justify their deeds. Human conscience demands humans to be just.

Examples of the crimes of lunatics and their justifications for their deeds, even in the west, are countless.

I will restrict myself here only that justifier-extraordinaire -

who headed the strongest country in the world

and brought justification for his deeds directly from God,

recorded in history’s indelible ink in his own words:

“God said to me George”,.....meaning...=>Go and bomb the hell out of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians).

And that he did.

I cannot implicate Christianity, Jesus or western culture in his crimes. You must also disassociate criminals and the other faith(s)

NC,

Yes, honour killings take place in India as well as Muslim countries. In fact, it's probably a feature of earlier peasant societies generally, in which the low status of women, and their use as trade objects between families is common, in Italy, Greece, and the countries of old Yugoslavia.

Nowhere is it right, nowhere - it says little to point out that other societies do it as well as Muslim ones. A multitude of wrongs do not make a right. It's a vile practice in India, it's a vile practice in Jordan.

And, as you say, it's totally against the Koran.

Joe