Hi NC,

Those two verses go oddly together:

"5:32 For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

"5:33 Those who make war upon Allah and His messenger .... will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom."

But I do like" " .... whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind."

Perhaps IS terrorists could learn something from that.

Nah. More fun butchering and raping.

Is Mise,

In my message of the 3rd (3:59 PM), detailed background of my message was obviously addressed to an open minds who may still be visiting this thread.

You can deduce “theological” basis for honour killing from a parable (about Moses), apparently drawing human attention to the constructive impulse of the natural processes that appear to be destructive at the surface.

And then you peddle Islamophobe stuff from hate-sites flanked by your jeers and gibes.

Can you be reasoned with? Are you kidding?

This is my last direct message to you till you answer questions I raised in my above noted message.

Constance

"Waco was a cult, not a mainstream religion"

This point is of fundamental importance to our discussion and please read on carefully.

Yes it was a cult and not the mainstream religion. US government and the press acted wisely to isolate the cult from the mainstream and to deny them the support of misguided terrorists like Timothy McVeigh, if he was indeed motivated by this incident,as recorded in Wikipaedia or some others who possibly could have been.

David Koresh built his church on a simple message: "If the Bible is true, then I'm Christ." He continues to have his following even after his death: "every Saturday, the Branch Davidian Sabbath, Sheila Martin and Clive Doyle have gotten together to pray and discuss the Bible. They affirm to each other that David Koresh was God in the flesh." (By Ashley Fantz, CNNApril 14, 2011 9:23 a.m. EDT)

David Koresh quoted profusely from the bible and justified every action by the authority of Bible including having sex with Children: "I couldn't argue because he'd show you where it was in the Bible."Sheila Martin, too, condones Koresh having sex with underage girls. "In the Bible, if a girl is old enough to menstruate, then she can be a wife," she insists".(Ashley Fantz)

No body blamed Christianity or the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, for the action of the lunatic. No body put the Bible on the spot and started a discussion on having sex with children.
That was the right approach to; isolate, contain, subdue and finish the menace.

Look at your conduct in contrast:-
a. Blaming all Muslims, for the action of lunatics.
b. Putting Quran on trial. And
c. Every day coming up with new topics like homosexuality and Islam and continuing to spread noise as much as possible.

Do you see the contrast between wisely handling the Waco Siege and your unwise approach of spreading the fire?
Every impartial reader of this thread can.

Frankly, I can not make any sense of your agenda of throwing petrol on the fire, contrary to the use of water on the fire of Waco.

Kactuz,
"you are blinded by the fanatic faith in an evil dogma."

In spite of the hatred oozing out of your quote, I can entertain all your objections:

a. "Quran forbids asking questions"....I know where you are coming from; Muhkam Ayah and The Mutashabih Ayah.

b. "Sun setting in muddy water spring", reference to the story of zulqarnain and his perception of setting Sun. Perception of a person is no error in Quran, as a website claims. Error is the way you have drafted your Bible, claiming Joanna being swallowed by a whale.....a physiological impossibility or the universe being geo- centric and the punishment of Galileo for telling the truth. Those are errors, besides many more, dear Kactuz.

c. "Muhammad as God's partner"? Please re -read God has no partners.

d. "We" for God is "royal we", as you rightly guessed.

e. "When Quran and Hadith disagree, who do Muslims obey". Raising of this question shows lack of basic knowledge of Islam, as there is not an iota of doubt about what to do in such a situation.

f. "The only true requirements for a Muslim is blind irrational belief". You need to prove it by applying the rules of rationality equally on all scripture and then showing how Quran is blind irrational belief , as you allege.

We can discuss, the points you have raised, one by one, if you can enter a discussion with sober mind. Hatred, I told you, kills the rational thinking .....of the beholder.

Kactuz, are you angry with my reference to Trinity as gobbledegook? Let's discuss and please show me how it is not.

Kactuz, your old age is showing....perhaps you are too old, for a decent discussion. Please get hold of yourself; stay cool, stay descent or if you can not do that, stay quiet.

MacAdam,

Do you believe that homosexuals should be put to death?

Do you believe that adulterous women should be stoned?

What do you think personally?

McAdam,

It was an evil cult for goodness sake - NOT MAINSTREAM. There will always be lunatics among us unfortunately.

Do you agree with this? Is this why Muslim girls are wanting to end their lives?
Muslim Child Brides:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjbmq4vOWU

I'D RATHER KILL MYSELF 11 YEAR Old Yemeni Girl Nada Al-Ahdal RUNS AWAY Forced Marriage CHILD BRIDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLzx-HDvtYk

She was apparently killed soon after her announcement.

Mosab Hassan Yousef (Son of Hamas Founder) tells the truth about Hamas. (Islam is bi-polar.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakxXN5Z-XI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoCLzDTlmhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYG1IpRQUGU

Ayaan Hirsi Ali (ex Muslim)
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/01/01/the-10-most-important-jihad-stories-of-2014/9/

Stealth Jihad:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1596985569/pjmedia-20#custom