McAdam/NC,

Nobody is demonising Muslims. Nobody has to - in their name (are you prepared to repudiate their claim ?) dreadful crimes are being committed by terrorists, in Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan, Yemen, Kenya. Obviously, those crimes have been committed by a tiny minority of Muslims, the vast majority of whom would, I'm sure, repudiate those crimes.

Of course, the guilt of those criminals, who use indiscriminate terror to get their way PRECISELY because they are in such a tiny minority amongst a vast majority of law-abiding and peaceful Muslims, is obvious to anyone. They are guilty of crimes which civilized people probably thought would never occur again, such as the beheading of children, the rape and enslavement of women and girls, the execution of unarmed prisoners.

Such guilt must, sooner or later, be punished, wouldn't you agree ?

Joe

NC,

<<Normally, i consider this a futile exercise to address peddlers of the misinformation>>
Hahaha Judging by your posting history you must have spent a lot of time treating with pedlars of misinformation because you are now retailing a lot of their merchandise.

<< So, you disappeared after your last post of 16 Aug,>>
On my part i normally disengage with persons who exhibit signs of acute retention deficiency and keep repeating the same old much debunked gunk over and over and over again. I am not a medical profession so i cannot offer them the help they need.

<< I requested you to provide reference for your quote of Quran>>
Once again you totally misrepresent my citation --but it is characteristic of you and your confederates to do that. I invite anyone who wants to acquaint themselves with the facts of the matter to go back and view the discourse for themselves and make their own decision about who was reasonable and who was unreasonable. And i suspect with the exception of you ,and McAdam --and your much "deleted for abuse" ally above, who had the foresight to rebadge himself. Most would view my position more favorably than yours.In fact i positively encourage people to go back and review how you ranted and use it as a measure of what we are in store for if you and your ilk ever get the numbers --very commissarish --or Mullahish --not a lot of difference in the two!

I am not going to wade through all your repeat waffle –it should pretty apparent to all (but the abovementioned three) that you are spam –like just repeating the same old one-eyed speil.

Have a nice day :)

NC,

Dr John Andrew Morrow?

http://craigconsidinetcd.com/2014/02/09/interview-on-scholars-spiritual-journey-into-islam-and-the-life-of-prophet-muhammad/

Yes, he may be a bit biased considering he claims to be a direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad! Gee, his name is a tad bit deceptive.

…..Cont/Bernard Lewis (Scholar on Islam and the West)
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims

"Those who enjoy freedom have a moral obligation to use that freedom for those who do not possess it. We live in a time when great efforts have been made, and continue to be made to falsify the record of the part and to make history a tool of propaganda; when governments, religious movements, political parties, and sectional groups of every kind are busy rewriting history as they would wish it to have been, as they would like their followers to believe that it was. All this is very dangerous indeed, to ourselves and to others, however we may define otherness - dangerous to our common humanity. Because, make no mistake, those who are unwilling to confront the past will be unable to understand the present and unfit to face the future.

During the first formative centuries of its existence, Christianity was separated from and indeed antagonistic to the state, with which it only later became involved. From the lifetime of its founder, Islam was the state, and the identity of religion and government is indelibly stamped on the memories and awareness of the faithful from their own sacred writings, history, and experience.

...it is the duty of those who have accepted them [Allah's word and message] to strive unceasingly to convert or at least to subjugate those who have not. This obligation is without limit of time or space. It must continue until the whole world has either accepted the Islamic faith or submitted to the power of the Islamic state."

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims

"Bertrand Russell:
Bertrand Arthur William Russell (1872 – 1970) was a British philosopher, logician, mathematician, historian, socialist, pacifist, and social critic, who is considered to be one of the founders of analytic philosophy.

Bolshevism combines the characteristics of the French Revolution with those of the rise of Islam… Those who accept Bolshevism become impervious to scientific evidence, and commit intellectual suicide. Even if all the doctrines of Bolshevism were true, this would still be the case, since no unbiased examination of them is tolerated…Among religions, Bolshevism is to be reckoned with Mohammedanism rather than with Christianity and Buddhism. Christianity and Buddhism are primarily personal religions, with mystical doctrines and a love of contemplation. Mohammedanism and Bolshevism are practical, social, unspiritual, concerned to win the empire of the world.[24]

Carl Jung:
Carl Gustav Jung (1875 – 1961) was the Swiss founder of analytical psychology. He created some of the best known psychological concepts and his work has been influential in psychiatry and in the study of religion, literature, and related fields.
We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with a wild god."

John Quincy Adams:
John Quincy Adams (1767 – 1848) was the sixth President of the United States. He was also an American diplomat and served in both the Senate and House of Representatives.

…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.[66]

NC McAdam, you write with the assurance and style of an educated person but fail miserably at distinguishing between the Islamists that are terrorising the world and the everyday Muslim person that no one on this site has a problem with. If anyone is lumping all Muslims into one basket, it's you.

You call us 'haters' for expressing opinions and raising questions that do not flatter Islam. How about answering the questions? By that I mean when someone points out a factual event that has taken place by a Muslim extremist or group, you go totally hysterical instead of explaining why you feel the event was justified or fabricated. Have you denounced the Taliban for killing 130 school children? Are the Taliban Muslims?

The more you try to defend your position the more you are appearing to be exactly 'one of those' that many of us see as the problem. You are not doing any justice for Islam or Muslim people with your tantrums.

ConservativeHippie,

"It has been implied that violence is exclusive to Muslims"? Please provide one quote from anyone in this thread that supports this ridiculous statement. No one has ever said that, insinuated that or even mistakenly posted something that implied that."

That's exactly the problem. No one is willing to come out on this page (or others) and truly state if they hate people of a Muslim background. It is a very easy way to "cop out" on this issue. If someone does hate the Muslim religion, why not say something? Be honest. If someone does hate Muslim people in general or the religion in general - please say so.

I won't make hateful comments on this topic - because I don't judge or stereotype each and every person living in Australia. For one I can't read every person's mind and two, every person is different.

It's much easier for some however, to be critical, because there is no book written relating to them as individuals, like a religion (which can be quoted from) - unless of course there is an author with a book to sell - let's say like Julia Gillard. So someone could quote from one of her books and attack her if they wanted to.

Finally in terms of leanings, I've got two types of choices - people like the (David Marr supporters) - or the Andrew Bolt crowd.

I don't want to be associated with either of these groups (so I can be independent) and it means I'm going alone, to push for fairness, a work hard for a living ethic and saying no to stereotyping.

I'm not going to be distracted by silly comments - and I'll gladly defend my credentials - because the victims in the recent Sydney case - along with other people affected by all types of extremist activities deserve better than a lot of the comments put down on these pages.