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HATE BRIGADE,
The stick of "terrorism" with which you have been beating Islam and Muslims, is fabricated; with lies.
Please see and hear the 67th U.S. Secretary of State confess. Here is part of the transcript::
"The people we are fighting today..we funded.
.lets go recruit these mujaheddin ..lets get some, come from Saudi Arabia and other places..importing their Wahabi Brand of Islam.
Lets be careful what we sow, because we will harvest.
...So we then left Pakistan, we said OK fine, you deal with the stingers that we have left all over your country, you deal with the mines..." http://youtu.be/LNB4jtFrg1E

So, the HATERS of your victims, the bullet that pierced the skull of Malala Yousafzai, or even the bullets and bombs that slaughtered 130 School children, could have been funded by you.
Any Guilt?

Was this the last Frankenstein that the west created? Is the factory closed for good? or is it still churning out news monsters? We will never know...unless a similar confession......decades later.

So, the HATERS, have you any guilt for murder of millions for the WMDs which never existed? Guilt for plundering and ruining a country ....and the whole region?

So, HATERS, does your conscious prick for the crimes against humanity, committed in Guantanamo, the U.S. Congressional Committee has just unearthed and the brutalities committed in Abu-Ghareeb and elsewhere that surpass the barbarianism of all times?
Any shame, on the holocaust unleashed on the people already subjected to apartheid in Gaza and rest of Palestine?

You have proven to have, the ability to look a fact right in the eye and then deny it exists.
You are so shameless that you continue to insist that your interpretation is in fact translation of Quran.

I am done pleading with you for good neighborliness, for you are the incorrigible lot.
If you are happy basking in the cesspool of your lies, slurs, and hatred, wish you good luck there

"Lets Be Careful What We Sow, Because We Will Harvest."
(Incidentally, this is the crux of Torah)

Tell us McAdam, do you have any sympathy for the Yadzidis and Christians currently fleeing the Middle East? Why are Muslims the only victims?

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When I did a course on Islam and the West, Bernard Lewis was often quoted as a reliable reference for his objectivity. The tutor was an Pastor and journalist. He said among other negative Islamic with nonchalance that Muslims fake inter-faith dialogue as nothing in Islam can be questioned. It is only for appearances sake.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis

Bernard Lewis, FBA (born May 31, 1916) is a British-American scholar in Oriental studies, and political commentator. He is the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University. He specialises in the history of Islam and the interaction between Islam and the West, and is especially famous in academic circles for his works on the history of the Ottoman Empire.

Lewis quoted:
"The golden age of equal rights [in Spain] was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam. The myth was invented by Jews in nineteenth-century Europe as a reproach to Christians.[20]

There was a time when scholars and other writers in communist eastern Europe relied on writers and publishers in the free West to speak the truth about their history, their culture, and their predicament. Today it is those who told the truth, not those who concealed or denied it, who are respected and welcomed in these countries. Historians in free countries have a moral and professional obligation no to shrink the difficult issues and subjects that some people would place under a sort of taboo; not to submit to voluntary censorship, but to deal with these matters fairly, honestly, without apologetics, without polemic, and, of course, competently.

Cont.....

McAdam,

If the US has been guilty of committing crimes, then they should be brought to book over them. Your quote from decades ago doesn't mitigate that guilt. Guilt should be exposed when people commit crimes.

Was Monis guilty of committing crimes ? That seems clear enough. Has IS committed crimes in Syria and Iraq, or Boko Haram in Nigeria and Chad and Cameroun, or the Taliban in Pakistan ? That seems to be so: they are guilty of crimes. They too should be brought to book over them.

Ideology does not excuse guilt. You can heave the word "HATE" around all you like, but you too must face up to the fact that dreadful crimes have been committed in the name of Allah, usually justified by reference to the Koran. Were those crimes justified ? Were those references to the Koran justified ? That's partly up to Muslims to determine, but in the final analysis, those crimes are everybody's business.

I have no doubt that the vast majority of Muslims are appalled and disgusted by the crimes in the name of their god. Perhaps they can also justify their disgust at those crimes by reference to the Koran.

Which interpretation will you concur with ?

Joe

Dr. John Andrew Morrow, a professor, research scholar, and author published a book entitled “The Covenants of the Prophet Muhammad with the Christians of the World” (published by Angelico Press, 2013). In this book he traces the origin of slurs historically thrown on Muhammad (repeated in posts here) and found these accusations to be “dishonest, prejudiced and not based on sound scholarship”( Craig Considine , Ph.D. candidate at Trinity College Dublin).

Compare the findings of Dr Morrow (and there are heaps of such findings and still growing from the community of academic researchers) with an over a century old observation of Thomas Carlyle where he held these “lies” to be a “disgrace” only for those who propagate these lies.

Compare it further with the observation of Annie Besant (1847-1933), who said “It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet”.

In today’s world, it is impossible for a scholar to subscribe to these lies and still be counted as a scholar by the intellectual community. This can happen in the cover of an assumed name with no fear of accountability for statements.

Here are few more references for the truth seekers.

Armstrong, Karen.Muhammad: A Western Attempt to Understand Islam. London: Gollancz Victor Ltd., 1992.
Arnaldez, Roger. Dialogue Islam-Chrétien et Sensibilities Religieuses. Islamochristiana, 1, 1975.
Kerr, David. Christian-Muslim Studies, Islamic Studies, and the Future of Christian-Muslim Encounter. Eds. Yvonne Y. Haddad and W.Z. Haddad, W.Z. Gainesville: University of Florida Press, 1995.
Forward, Martin. Muhammad: A Short Biography. Oxford: Oneworld, 1997.
Jomier, Jacques. How to Understand Islam. London: SCM, 1989.
Lindblom, J. Prophecy in Ancient Israel. Oxford: Basil Blackwel, 1962.
Moyer, J.A. "Prophecy, Prophets." New Bible Dictionary. Eds. J.D. Douglas, et al. London: Inter Varsity Fellowship, 1962.
Vroom, Hendrik. No Other Gods: Christian Belief in Dialogue with Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1996.
Wessels, Antonie. A Modern Arabic Biography of Muhammad: Islamic Culture. Netherlands: E.J.Brill, 1972.

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@ McAdam & co

Here is the real crux of the issue.

If you and your associates see any report or rumour denigrating the West--and every lefty rag or blogspot is stuff full of it-- you grab it with glee and are out shouting about it.

So we get:
Bad bad USA <<recruit[ing] …mujaheddin… from Saudi Arabia and other places..importing... Wahabi[ism] >>
Bad bad USA <<stingers …mines… [in Pakistan]>>
Bad bad USA <<[funding] the bullet that pierced the skull of Malala Yousafzai,>>
Bad bad USA <<crimes against humanity, committed in Guantanamo>>

However out of context or simplistic the information –you accept it without question

But should anything detriment re Islam be presented –however well documented –you dismissed as <<HATE>>

Informed and validated by such a sub-culture -- is there any wonder that people like Monis think they are on the side of right and justice!

WHEN WILL WE HAVE A COMMISSION INVESTIGATING THE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY COMMITTED ON BEHALF OF ISLAM?

And yes, one (often) reaps what one sows. What are successive Australian governments sowing on our behalf by allowing adherents to a creed whose avowed MODERATES, even, are so one-eyed and full of imagined injustices?

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA

SPQR,
Normally, I consider this a futile exercise to address peddlers of the misinformation. But, I have interacted with you in July-August this year and you mention my name in your post.

In my good-faith attempt to correct your error, I requested you to provide reference for your quote of Quran. You lied for the second time and repeated the assumed quote. Finally on July 31, you were forced to confess the misquote – pretty much like another misquote McAdam has established yesterday, and that proved to me the yours was not an error but a plain dishonesty.

It soon became clear that your motivation was an unconditional support for a country which stands totally isolated in the world because of its deeds. Your goal: demonise Muslims because of their religion to justify worst type of atrocities against besieged civilians.

You provided an opportunity to bring forth the facts including a catalogue of views of men of conscience from all over the world including the support base of you country.
The evidence piled up. After more than 40 pages of (total) discussion you and your associates saw that the facts presented were simply too overwhelming to face.

So, you disappeared after your last post of 16 Aug, of course along with your associates. Four of my posts from 16 to 18 August remain unanswered days before the thread was closed.

Now again with your typical red herring, you come out with a statement that you cannot support by any source other than hat sites and flimsy references devoid of research worth the name.

This time too, I plan to continue with the task of presenting real reliable references on the topic I am pursuing.

Fortunately, there is more material available on this subject that I can keep posting for weeks. This is the first unintended positive of your campaign of misinformation.

The second positive lies in the total lack of quality in your content and the foul language you and your associates use. This makes the argument crystal clear to the rational mind who remains the focus of my posts.