Luciferase,

"Islam, if lived to the letter of its holy books, is a supremacist ideology."
No, it is not. Please study it deeply.

"Where is the Muslim majority loudly denouncing violent actions? Are they cowered by them or do they sympathize with them? We can't know."

They are loudly denouncing but their cries are not reaching you ears; thanks to the controlled western media, which puts the spot light selectively. Pakistani Nation for example, is risen as a whole against these enemies of humanity and this is the nation that has suffered most at their hands and is busy doing most, to finish them off. Please search media for yourself to verify, what I have said.

"However, there is a road which can unite us, ....Anybody got a better idea ?"

We have a lot of unlearning to do, to rid ourselves of the poison fed into us in centuries, against each other, by the zealots on all sides. Then we may be able to see what we really stand for. Scriptures and sages are good sources. Quran teaches humanity being one nation....children of one parents.

Let me share with you a saying of a Muslim sage:-

Bani a:dam aza: ye yek digarand
Keh dar a: fairness ze yek goharand

Chu: ozvi beh dard a:varad ruzgar
Degar ozv ha ra: Nama: nad qara:r

To kaz mehnat e digra:n bi ghami
Nasha: yad Ke na: mat nahand a: dami
(Sadi)

Roughly translates; Children of Adam are limbs of a body, of common birth.
If one limb aches the others become uneasy.
If you are unmindful of pain of others, you are not human.

I have tears in my eyes when I write this. Do you have in yours,when you read it?
Regards

I nominate this as the OLO joke of the year: <<[the]Pakistani Nation for example, is risen as a whole against these enemies of humanity>>

Pakistan is one of the most intolerant societies on earth if you are a non-Sunni.I refer anyone who wants to check this, to this link http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/wave-blasphemy-arrests-riots-against-christians-pakistan

One Cronulla riot was enough to have the Muslim spokespersons and their progressive allies label Australia a racist society (and SBS hasn’t stopped running docos on it ever since)

But Cronulla style riots –targeting non-Sunnis -- are a regular occurrence in Pakistan (and for far less provocation than the Oz example)

But of course -- to even allude to such,in the eyes of McAdam & co is a HATE crime

SPQR, you wrote;
"I nominate this as the OLO joke of the year: <<[the]Pakistani Nation for example, is risen as a whole against these enemies of humanity>>"

Please refer to following:-
1."Pakistan announces a national plan to fight terrorism, says terrorists’ days are numbered" by Anup Kaphle, The Washington Post

2. "Your days are numbered, Sharif warns Terrorists, " Pakistan Newsweek.

3. Pakistan has mobilized the nation through All Parties Conference, has set up special courts for speedy trials of the terrorists and is willing to amend the constitution, if necessary. Pakistan Prime Minister's special address to the nation is awaited.

The nation has indeed arisen. Please verify the information I have provided.

Yes, what you say about intolerance is not baseless, and all is not well with Pakistani society, yet the nation is going ahead, to eradicate terrorism, regardless.

I am basing on the latest, while you seem to be relying on the past material with you.

And the jeers and gibes which is your style smack of non seriousness, one can do without. For by mocking truth while armed with falsehood, you only make a fool of yourself.

McAdam,

What you point to --Pakistan (finally!) deciding to take a stand against the Taliban & its affiliates --is indeed admirable, but it is more in the way of the Pakistan ruling elite defending their powerbase than a grand defense of human rights. Every day in Pakistan --PRESENT TENSE, NOT PAST-- non-Sunnis feel the boot of the sunni majority stamping on their face.

And only one who is fooling himself would believe otherwise.

SPQR, I will not let you evade the reality. You contradicted my statement of the Pakistani Nation bracing up for anti terrorism and you have been proved wrong.
Copied below is an other proof; the news of the special address to the Nation by Pakistani Prime Minister announcing National Action Plan,that I had mentioned, as reported by Jang/Geo, the largest media group of Pakistan:-

"ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has announced that special courts will be setup for a period of two years to cope with the scourge of terrorism that has claimed over 50,000 lives, Geo News reported.

In his address on Television, PM Nawaz Sharif apprised the national about the outcomes of the meeting of parliamentary parties leadership.

Nawaz Sharif said, Being the Prime Minister of Pakistan it is my responsibility to lead the war against terror.

In strong message to militants, the Premier said the days of terrorists are numbered, adding that all funding sources of terrorists will also be eliminated.

Nawaz said Madrassahs (religious seminaries) will not be allowed to operate without proper registration, they will operate under a clear system.

Banned outfits will not be allowed to operate under new names and steps will be to stop their funding, he maintained.

He said, NACTA (National Counter Terrorism Authority ) will be made fully functional and its financial issues would be solved.

PM Nawaz said Tv Channels will not be allowed to give coverage to terrorists, steps being taken to root them out from social media as well.

He said action will be taken against hate speech and hate literature."

Pakistani media is available on line; see for yourself.

Now dear SPQR, you should take your words back that you used to make fun of the truth I had posted; that is if you have any honor and moral courage. If not, then I do not see any point in interacting with a person who evades truth.
Good luck and good bye.

McAdam/NC/Junaid

I think your are confusing "the nation as a whole" with the state. Just because politicians say something doesn't mean the nation as a whole is rising up. Of course we would expect the politicians of Pakistan to say they are taking a stance against the group that just killed 141 children in the state's own army school.

However, the question is whether they intend to take any stance against the belief system rooted in Islam that motivates the religious persecution that is rife in Pakistan, not just between Muslims and non-Muslims, but between different branches of Islam. Are they going to condemn Mohammed and the Koran for inciting this violence? Of course not! They would fear for their lives if they did.

"that is if we are honest about distinguishing between the Islamists that are terrorizing the world and the everyday Muslim person that no one on this site has a problem with."

Good point. I can't see how anyone in this thread has honestly distinguished them so far. The fact that the Muslims who are not terrorizing the world, are not terrorizing the world, doesn't mean they don't believe in the same belief system that the Muslim terrorists are acting on. It means they're not acting on it.

So let's just cut to the chase. Do you think it's okay to kill, enslave or rape non-Muslims in accordance with the authority of Mohammed and the Koran, or not?

If not, do you renounce and condemn Mohammed and the Koran, and if you don't, why not, apart from fearing for your life from the violence of your co-religionists if you were to do so?