Imanutter:

You repeatedly use the term “ethnic cleansing” in relation to Israel’s actions against Islamic terrorism.

Here is a reality check. Please read because you won’t find these facts in the bible.

During the Germans’ occupation of much of Europe, they eliminated a total of 11 million civilians, including Jews, gypsies, Jehova’s Witnesses, homosexuals and disabled people. Approximately two thirds of the European Jewish population, and around three quarters of gypsies in Germany and Austria were exterminated.
That’s what I call Ethnic Cleansing.

During the 1940’s and 1950’s, around 700,000-800,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Muslim countries. From a flourishing population of around 1 million Jews in Arab countries throughout the Middle East back in 1948 (including Iran), the numbers are now less than 20,000.
That’s what I call Ethnic Cleansing.

Let's have a closer look at the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians at the hands of Israel:

In 1949 there were a little under 500,000 Arabs living in the West Bank. There are now over 2.5 million.
In 1949, the population of Gaza was a little over 80,000. Today it stands at just under 2 million.
Now that’s what YOU call Ethnic Cleansing.

I know it is almost impossible to reason with many kinds of religious people, Julianutter, because they can only think in terms of moral absolutes. Moral quandaries amd moral priorities are something they don't want to think about. Something must be absolutely right, or absolutely wrong.

You think that ethnic cleansing is absolutely wrong. "Thou shalt not ethnically cleanse" is carved in stone by your Abrahamic God. But your own God approved of ethnic cleansing when he told the Jews to go into the lands of the Middianites and "slaughter every man, woman, child, and their beasts, also".

But when God's son was born, you think that God grew up and stopped advocating ethnic cleansing. You believe he no longer approves of ethnic cleansing. God has not officially repented his sin, but as a Christian, I suppose you have forgiven Him anyway.

Now, you don't like ethnic cleansers, but you defend Muslims who are the world's foremost ethnic cleansers who's own holy scriptures advocate the use of ethnic cleansing. The Muslims think that God still believes in ethnic cleansing and their damned Koran is absolutely chock-a-block full of instructions from God to Muslims to ethnically cleanse anyone who is not a Muslim. "Kill them." "Chop off their heads." Strike off their finger tips." Chop off an arm and a leg from opposite sides of the body". "Expel them". "There is Jew hiding behin the tree, kill him."

Sometimes the Muslim version of your Abrahamic God, and His Prophet, get a little uncharacteristically humane and they say that it is OK for Jews and Christians to live under Islam, provided that Muslims humiliate them constantly and force them to pay usurious taxes. The purpose of that is ethnic cleansing in a more humane way. Force them to become Muslims by making them an offer they can't refuse.

Now, the moral quandary for you is, is it right or wrong to ethnically cleans people who say quite bluntly that they quite seriously intend to ethnically cleans you and your people?

Lego

you can jabber on all you like but you are a racist who condones ethnic cleansing. Your stated terms for support would have seen you cheering on the killing of Jews under Hitler. Just as you are now cheering for the slaughter of Muslims by Jews.

You should reflect on your attitudes. Read the hate you have spouted.

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'ETHNIC CLEANSING

is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of creating a territory inhabited by people of a homogeneous or pure ethnicity, religion, culture, and history. The forces applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), as well as mass murder, and intimidation.

ETHNIC CLEANSING

is usually accompanied with the efforts to remove physical and cultural evidence of the targeted group in the territory through the destruction of homes, social centers, farms, and infrastructure, and by the desecration of monuments, cemeteries, and places of worship.

Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 18 August 2014 11:05:40 PM'

If you think what the Jews of Israel are doing in Palestine does not fall within the scope of this definition you are blind.

It has the same intent as the final solution. That was the ridding of the Jews from Europe. Here the Israeli Jews are attempting to rid Palestine of Palestinians. Just take a look at the successive maps of the areas Israel has kicked out or murdered Palestinians. Numbers make no difference it is the intent which is the same.

I could see you lining up justifying the attitudes of the behaviours of the likes of Hitler's murderers and Lego.

Can there be an occasion when ethnic or religious "cleansing" could be
acceptable ?
For example, if Australia suffered several terrorist attacks causing
significant deaths, would it be reasonable to deport the whole moslem
population back to their countries of origin ?
Don't complicate your opinion with those born here, just the principle.

Well done Julianutter. I knew you would dodge the question. I love it when my opponents behave just as I predicted they will.

Forced to pick sides on a moral quandary about ethnic cleansing, you responded by sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "Nananananana". Thank you for proving to all of our readers, that the premise I stated in my last post is true. My premise was, that many religious people such as your good self can only think in terms of moral absolutes. And that moral quandaries and moral priorities don't even register on their perception of reality.

That is why you are losing this debate. People know you have something to hide when you won't answer a critical question that is reasonable. You can huff and puff all you want about the total immorality of ethnic cleansing. But unless you have the mental capacity to understand that moral shades of grey exist, and that most moral questions can never be black and white, then you are going to be perceived by any impartial observer as a narrow minded bigot who refuses to take off his ideological blinkers, and use critical thinking to examine all sides of a contentious problem.

Finally, you are misrepresenting my position again. I have already admitted that the Jews are ethnically cleansing the Muslims in Palestine/Israel. But the question that you are too frightened to even contemplate is, is it wrong to ethnically cleanse people who publically declare that they have every intention of ethnically cleansing you and your people, and who have historically been doing just that to your own people, and to so many other people, for 1400 years?

Answer the damned question or leave the arena. Because your refusal to answer it indicates that you can understand that what the Israelis are doing is self defence, but you just don't want to admit it. Better to keep endorsing an untruth and parade around on the moral high ground with a chorus of singing angels behind you, than admit that your precious moral absolute is not absolute.