I am surprised Foxy that you cannot see past the end of your nose.
Islam is an all encompassing belief.
It is religion, politics, economics all wrapped up in one cover and
is described in a book not open to interpretation.

There are no doubt some who are moslems that are not fanatical but when
push comes to shove they will protect the fanatics.
Why should we have to sort them out ?

They say we must convert or die.
What do you say to them when they put that to you ?

"Peace Brother" ?

There is a whole town in Iraq facing that question right now.
As they are ethnic Turks and Shites they may not get the option.
As far as the Jews are concerned they were the first victims of Islam
and 1300 years later they are still threatened by Islam.
Are you surprised they don't give a damn what people like you say ?

Foxy, you are totally blinded by your politics.

Dear Bazz,

Blinded by my politics?

And what politics are those exactly?

That's such an old chestnut that is used
when people claim to give a hearing to other
views, but then are shocked and offended to
discover that there are in fact - other views.

It is high time that the US, and the International
Community stand up and say - this is not the way to
behave. Israel does not have the right to act
unilaterally, it does not have the right to wreck
havoc and destroy the prospects for a peaceful
solution. Israel has been calling the shots since
1967, always without Palestinian consultation and
clearly believes that the US will support it no
matter what.

Antony Loewenstein put it so well in his book,
"My Israel Question," when he stated:

"The Kalima vision is of a concrete wall, with Jews
on one side and as many Arabs as possible on the other.
Sooner or later, Israel and the Palestinians will have
to meet face-to-face, listen to each other's
grievances and negotiate with honesty. Only then - and on
the condition that both Israel and the Palestinian state
achieve safety and security - will this conflict be
resolved. Neither side has a monopoly on suffering, but only
one party has the power to end the occupation and to
recognise that Israel and Palestine are historically
destined to share the same homeland."

SPQR

You are an outright liar.

Show us all where I have ever supported violence by Israel or Hamas?

You are twisting things typical of Israeli propagandists.

Liar.

#Foxy

I am afraid Lowenstein has got it very wrong.

The PLO has the power to end the occupation by:
1 agreeing to recognise Israel as the Jewish State.
2 abandoning the demand to allow millions of Arabs to live in Israel
3 agreeing to allow Jews to live in a Palestinian Arab State just like 1.2 million Arabs presently live in Israel.

Their refusal to do so means no third State in Palestine - additional to Israel and Jordan - will be created for the first time in recorded history.

The Palestinian Arabs have rejected solutions proposed in 1922, 1937, 1947, between 1948-1967, 2000/1, 2005, 2008.

Sad to say they have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

imajulianutter,

<<Show us all where I have ever supported violence by... Hamas?>>

If you cry fowl (or act like one) each time one boxer delivers a low blow but ignore the indiscretions of the other -- few would have trouble determining which side you are barracking for!

Besides, you even use the same slogans as the Hamas cheer squad -see here: << Israeli propagandists. Liar>>

Dear David,

Your version of events differs greatly from those
of Antony Loewenstein and Dr Ilan Pappe,
and many others who have extensively
researched the period. You espouse the
Zionist myths and deny the hisory and pain of the
other side. In your take - many facts remain hidden.

All I can do is politely suggest that you do your
research on the topic. I don't want to waste your
time or mine.

Until then I have nothing further to say to you.