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Gaza: Hamas humiliates and manipulates world media : Comments

By David Singer, published 18/8/2014

Any journalist is free to report what they see in Gaza as long as it is coloured Hamas.

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Dear David,

"Thou protests too much, methinks!"

You can't have it both ways.
And trying to do so is chutzpah in the extreme.
Referring to Richard Behar's quotes and then
trying to run away from their usage. ;-)

Nice try.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 28 August 2014 10:16:25 PM
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Dear David Singer,

Pretty bloody typical of you mate. I show you up for what you are and you obfuscate and deflect with concocted affront. You offered us the quote from your link and said;

“Quit speculating about Behar's motives and address the substance of his above claims demonstrating that the New York Times does not print the facts of what is actually happening in Gaza.”

I utterly stand by my statement that you have claimed it as a truth.

In furnishing us with that quote you were attempting to lessen the culpability of the Israeli government for the horrendous barbarity they inflicted on the Gazan civilian population. You were presenting as a fact that 'some if not many' of the children the right wing war criminals infesting the Israeli Parliament have blown to smithereens or grievously harmed deserved what they got because they were 'trained fighters'.

It may be Behar's 'fact' and it may be yours, but it is not a fact in the rest of the civilized world.

How utterly contemptible of you both.

Of course you could redeem yourself and disavow yourself of Behar's 'fact', but we both know that is unlikely to happen don't we.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 28 August 2014 11:25:45 PM
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#SteeleRedux

Your ballistic rant against me is now extended to the author Richard Behar - who wrote:

"Moreover, some, if not many, of the kids could also be fighters. Earlier this year, a handful of media outlets exposed Hamas military-training summer camps for kids aged 6-16 in Gaza. Did the Western press corps in Israel pay any heed? (Reuters and NBC News, to their credit, did a slideshow and photo blog, respectively. The New York Times didn’t even touch it, although its reporter Akram lives in Gaza and surely must know about the camps.)"

From that statement you make the preposterous unsubstantiated claim that now Behar - as well as myself - " were presenting as a fact that 'some if not many' of the children the right wing war criminals infesting the Israeli Parliament have blown to smithereens or grievously harmed deserved what they got because they were 'trained fighters'."

Are Reuters and NBC News to be equally condemned by you with Behar and myself for printing the story?

What about you adding Hazem Balousha who wrote the following in Al-Monitor:

"About 100,000 students from all over the Gaza Strip joined the “Pioneers of Liberation” summer camps organized this year by the Hamas movement. The camps are organized according to educational level, with primary, middle and secondary school stages. The students are registered in mosques scattered throughout the Gaza Strip. One group of participants expressed their enthusiasm to Al-Monitor for the diverse activities, especially military drills.

Saleh Jaafarawi, 17, said, “I was waiting for the camp’s events to start after I was registered through the mosque in my region of residence. I received some military training as part of the boys' program at school, but this camp has a special character and sense of detail, and offers more training...

... Mohammad Abdo, 13, did not hide his desire to join Hamas' armed wing when he becomes old enough. He said, “I want to learn everything about arms and martial arts so that I can be prepared to join al-Qassam Brigades and fight for Palestine when I grow up.”

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/06/palestine-hamas-summer-camps-ideology.html
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 31 August 2014 12:56:54 PM
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Dear David Singer,

Don't you get the fact that the message you are selling is recognised as utter swill? You can never justify the slaughter of hundreds Palestinian children via the savagery of the war criminals of the Likud party with the line 'well some if not many are militarily trained'. There is no evidence to show 6 year olds are firing mortars, or 7 year olds, or 8 years olds, or 9 years olds, nor 10 etc.

The utter inanity and absurdity is easily demostrated.

Here is a report from the Haaretz Newspaper on Israeli military training and indoctrination of Israeli school children;

“Educators and professors have criticized a new focus of the Gadna youth corps program for pre-military training of teens, calling it unduly militaristic.… Gadna, a department of the army, predates the establishment of Israel....The new Gadna program includes training in squad-sized operations, night treks and shooting, and excellence in these comes with a promise of rewards when the youth become Israel Defense Force conscripts...There are currently 73,000 pupils in the 11th grade in state and state religious schools, and 16,000 to 19,000 of them participate in the weeklong Gadna training. In the Education Ministry there are plans to significantly expand the level of participation.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/new-idf-gadna-youth-program-criticized-as-overly-militaristic-1.208769

With what I consider evil and warped amoral logic you would by your reasoning condemn the Israeli high school population to being legitimate targets because 'some if not many are militarily trained'.

It is beneath contempt.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 31 August 2014 5:11:35 PM
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Singer are you admitted to the bar in Australia?

If you are and you hold views supporting land stealing, training kids to kill neighbours and as Steel points out are advocating the terrorist targeting of such children, don't you think you are too conflicted to be a 'pillar' of our Australian society.
Cos mate, if you are a member of the bar, that mate is what you are supposed to be.

You should either resign or be sacked immediately.

Part of your bio, mate, is relevant here.

You are disgraceful.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 1 September 2014 4:20:59 PM
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You blokes really are stupid. All of you.

You say all Muslims are violent.
When I say some Jews and some Muslims are violent you attack and abuse me.

You say the Koran is violent.

When I say both the Koran and Hebrew bible contain both peacefulness and forgiveness as well as violence and vengeance you attack and abuse me.

You say Muslims are intent on a genocide of Jews.
When I say some Muslims and some Jews are intent on genocides you attack and abuse me.

When you say all Muslims or the 'Muslim World' are violent.

You attack and abuse me when I point out peaceful Islamic secular countries like Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia and Malaysia.

When you say I support or are friendly with Islamists because I overwhelmingly make statements that are anti Jewish or Israel.

I laugh at you.

There are no Muslims in here supporting the violence of other Muslims. If they were I'd debate with them as I have you lot.

There are in here Jews and non Jews supporting the violence of the Jews of Israel.

Doesn't that say something.

The fact Muslims haven't entered this debate supporting the violence of some Muslims tends to suggest to me Muslims in Australia overwhelmingly don't support violence and vengeance.

You lot are evidence a few Jews outside Israel, if you are, and a few non Jews overwhelmingly support violence and vengeance.

If any of you are under the illusion I was doing anything other than stringing you all along until you had completely exposed yourselves ...well don't be so stupid.

Graham asked me once if he should not allow any discussion of the mid east.

I said no. This is why.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 1 September 2014 7:29:18 PM
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