Steelie: Does Palestine have the right to exist?

let's look at Ancient History.

Q1. When did the Kingdom of Israel come into existence.

A1. When the Hebrews invaded from the Desert after leaving Egypt after the Hittite invasion. Around 1800 to 1500BC. http://www.timemaps.com/history/syria-1000bc.

Q2. Were the any Arabs around then?

A2. No that didn't happen until the domestication of the Camel around 1000BC.

Q3. Was there a Palestinian People around then.

A3. No. not until Herodotus wrote in c. 450 BC in The Histories of a 'District of Syria,' called Palaistinê. During the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, the independent Hasmonean state of Judea. in 37 BC, Judaea became a client Kingdom of Rome but in 6 AD Roman intervention made Judaea a Roman Province. So no Palestine.

So far Palestine, as an entity, lived for about 250 years as a District of Syria as part of the Seleucid Dynasty under the Greeks. Sort of like the Shire Council of Logan, only smaller. Not a Country in its own right.

Q4. What happened after the Romans?

A4. In Southern Levant, until about 200 and despite the genocide of Jewish-Roman Wars, Jews had formed a majority of the population. Due to the decline of Jewish population, Samaritans and Greco-Romans became the dominant societies in this region by the end of the 2nd century. No Palestinians.

Cont.

Modern History:

Q4. When did the Modern entity of Palestine come into existence?

A4. 1923, Paris Peace Conference. Name suggested by the British.

Q5. What happened in 1947?

A5. The Israeli migrated from Europe after WW2. The Palestinians objected to having Jews return to Palestine & they declared War on the Jewish People. Despite the Local Palestinian People, the British & no weapons as such the Immigrants won & were granted the State of Israel.

The Palestinians objected to this & began a terror regime against Israel. In 1967. They, with the help of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, & Egypt gave Israel a war. They were all thrashed in 6 days & Israel captured a lot of land, some they kept, some of which they gave back eventually as a sign of good will.

Then the Egyptians & the Palestinians gave Israel another War (90/91). They were thrashed again & Egypt was almost captured but were talked out of continuing on to Cairo by the UN. As a measure of good will they gave Egypt back what they had captured but put restrictions on Gaza to stop them importing Weapons. Unfortunately that hasn't worked & the Palestinians use the Aid they get form the World to buy Arms & build Tunnels so they can attack the Israeli people.

I won't bother with The Lebanon.

In the present situation the Palestinians people are pawn of Hamas & they are suffering again due to the attitude of Hamas towards the Israeli people. ("Kill them all, God will know his own.") Hamas is getting its ar$e kicked again this time & if they try it on again the same thing will happen.

Does Palestine have a right to exist. I think the time of Palestine has come & gone, it should now cease to exist.

By the way Steelie, NC, its not OCCUPIED TERRITORY. It's CAPTURED TERRITORIES. Big difference.

Steelie: What of it? As to the IDF pinpointing targets what rubbish.

There would be a tenfold increase in casualties if it wasn't pin point accuracy.

Steelie: Here is them taking out a row of apartment building over an hour;

In response to rocket salvoes fired by Hamas and its militant allies. Palestinians launched 52 rockets toward southern and central Israel, including the Tel Aviv area,

Steelie: And striking a row of ambulances reacting to an earlier bombing;

Spotted moving Munitions by the "Eye in the Sky."

Steelie: And just today hitting yet another UN school;

I response to firing Mortars from the School gate. The Artillery fire landed out side the School grounds during Lunch. So Hamas knew the Israeli's would respond automatically & injurer people. They use a similar system to "Green Arrow" which picks up where the Mortars are fired from & returns fire to the Base Plate before the first mortar lands.

@Jayb

Quite a historical reference, by the same logic I am afraid you will occupy Australia soon - too.
All this - while crying yourself hoarse over the (non-existent) threat of HAMAS taking over the world.
Fair Dinkum!

Great Job 'mate' - surely your arguments are 'very convincing' in the eyes of the 'naive soft liberals and left allies etc' you have been so eager to impress!

Self assured by this military-might (fully paid for by the US tax payer facing foreclosure on his mortgage) and the general feeling of superiority ('the chosen people') - this 'thinking' you represent is the real source of the never ending cycle of violence in the middle east. Hubris that finds any kind of negotiated settlement/compromise beneath it and wants to operate with ABSOLUTE IMPUNITY.
Sure :) - there have been crazier people on the planet -> currently rotting 'in' i

jayb

only a coward could enjoy being called a coward. Have you no shame?

If you were Australian you'd believe in a fair go. You don't.

now why don't you identify yourself?

Scared shite-less?