And that MacAdam illustrates why it is soooo hard to reason with you side.As does this:

<<the same person who misquoted Quran>>

<< I propose that we resolve; that we endorse the article written by Junaid that there indeed are a number of people in Israeli camp who fully support the brutalities unleashed on the Palestinians and rejoice in the "cutting of the grass">>

nutter: You fat coward?
A touch above my up Well I'm not fat, per se. As for coward. No. been there, done that, faced my demons & told 'em to, "Ef orf."

Now let's see. Why are you here in Australia nutter when you should be in Palestine waving a Green & White Flag, or in Syria/Iraq waving a Black Flag supporting your brothers. No guts eh, coward. Here's ya White Feather.

In fact shouldn't all you Jihadists be over there in the ME getting stuck into the Israeli's or in Syria/ Iraq supporting the New Caliphate., Hadi, Steelie, PeacefulPeace, McAdam, NC, Hypo, Abu, RBC, Eren, Killarney, JoM, Chek, Halduell & Dkit. Are you all cowards? Have you no shame? By the way, where's Poirot? Well at least Poirot goes & does a bit.

To McAdam.

Everybody looks down on other groups of people. It is a cultural universal. I am sure that you look down on Nazis and Ku Klux Klan members, even though you have not met even one of them in your whole life. You despise them because you know enough about their ideologies, values, attitudes and behaviours to realise that they oppose everything you believe in. Yet by some application of doublethink, you refuse to make the same connection with Muslims. And you compound your double standard by claiming that I should not do to Muslims what you routinely do to Nazis and Kluxers. (and One Nation supporters)

There is nothing wrong with identifying a group of people as dangerous, untrustworthy, or even your people's enemies, provided that your stereotype is accurate. I look at the dysfunctional behaviour of Muslim societies everywhere and I look at their ideology which supports it, and I can make a sound judgement that I oppose these people and everything they stand for. If it is wrong for me to consider Muslims as my people's enemies, then it is also wrong for you to make the same judgement about Nazis and Ku Klux Klan members.

I think you are smart enough to see that my reasoning is fair and sound.

It is also a cultural universal that every nation at war with another usually depicts the enemy as sub human. The British in 1914 claimed that the Germans bayoneted British nurses and Belgian babies. US Admiral Halsey was famous in WW2 for always referring to the Japs in the press as "yellow monkeys". The Germans referred to their enemies as "untermenschen". While Allah refers to non Muslims in the Koran as "the vilest forms of life" composed of "base matter."

Looks like Allah is a racist also. Go attack him.

On second thought, you better not. If the Muslims find out who you are, it may not be conducive to good health and a long life.

SPQR,
Your language keeps showing more and more frustration.
You nominate your “uncle Cedric” to adjudge occupied territory as an impartial third party, understandable. Your Israel too has an uncle for a impartial arbitrator – “Uncle Sam”.

Answer to my question brings out your complete disregard, quite like Israel, for the rest of the world.

For your Israel, FORCE is the only arbitrator. Israel uses force on the assumptions:
• That by air bombing civilians it can force Palestinians to submit, BUT, in fact, it is FORCING them to do to it what it is doing to them.

• That there will always be huge gap of force between it and the oppressed. Can’t see how it forced Lebanese to acquire their current resistance capability and how it forced the besieged Palestinians to acquire greater capability to inflict casualties in this assault compared with the last one. Time shows trends here.

• That its backer, US, will always have the same world dominance it had in the 20th century. Can’t see what has happened to the US influence in last about 15 years. What about in another 20 or so years? The rate at which the political and economic land-scape is fundamentally altering, US will soon have enough of its own concerns, than to bather about Israel, what then?

The current world has distinctly three players:
• The aging US on irreversible decline, with its young population growingly disgusted with Israel for its crimes against humanity and with the senior politicians for their support for Israel;
• Europe with its much stronger position against Israel’s crimes against humanity and (as seen by Israel) its malevolent (anti-Semitic) ghost not entirely dispelled yet; and
• Rest of the world predominantly outraged at Israel’s brutalities.

With an extremely limited space to manoeuvre Israel basically has two options:

1. Go for an impartial third party arbitration – trust the world - and achieve a sustainable peace; or
2. Keep digging graves for other and during the process, as history tells us, dig one for your own self.

Choice is yours!
Continued….

JUST AN OBSERVATION!

NC
First post: 31/07/2014 8:21:58 AM [Cutting the grass in the theatre of war]

Hadi
Two posts : 12/10/09/2013 9:04:39 PM & 10/09/2013 8:34:33 PM
No further posts till 31/07/2014 [Cutting the grass in the theatre of war]

McAdam
First post: 1/08/2014 2:01:53 AM [Cutting the grass in the theatre of war]

Coincidence –or someones support crew?

SPQR, Continued …..

Ignoring your distractions, refusing to reciprocate to your foul language and continuing the task of correcting your history, I will quote a present-day authority on religious history – Karen Armstrong.
On pages 24-25 of her book entitled “The Battle for God”(Happer Perennial) she compares the plight of 17th century Jews in Europe with those living in the Islamic world and concludes that:

• In Europe:
o Jews were not permitted to live outside the special districts known as “ghettoes”,
o The ghettoes were situated in unhealthy areas enclosed by high walls;
o The Jews were forced to wear distinctive dress, reduced to menial jobs with no large scale commercial ventures were permitted to them;
o The Jews were excluded from mainstream society.

• In Islamic world:
o Jews were not restricted to special areas the way they were in Europe, they could participate in mainstream commerce;
o Jews were not persecuted, as there was no tradition of anti-Semitism in the Islamic word;
o Jews were given full religious liberty and were able to run their own affairs according to their own laws.

The modern Europe in its childhood days was exposed to an Islam introduced by Crusaders. I myself saw few books on Islam in California University library US which talked about anything but Islam. In all probability, this is the type of literature that SPQRs of this age still keep referring to.

As repeatedly said in my previous posts, I am not for my religion vs your religion. I try to address this historic question only in the context of history.

West has matured since Crusades, more so, in comparison with many other societies. This age has brought more westerns close to Islam in recent years than in any other similar time-span in history – the issue was alluded to in a post.

Among many (I mean countless) cases I draw your attention SPQR to two:

o Hakeem Murad (ex Timothy John Winter– Cambridge UK) for an introduction to Islam-Utube
o Ernaud van Dorn (Netherlands) for a change in an ex-Islamphobe