NC,

They save a picture is worth a thousand words –here’s a few million words in response to your rant.

NC & co shout : *Civilians are killed* –I wonder why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtg1pjnEW2c&feature=related
[Actually, when I read your last posts NC I envisage you sounding and looking much like that]

and here’s another,reason:
“Indeed, as journalists arrived at the scene in Shejaia Sunday afternoon, several men with guns were scurrying from the scene. Some bore their weapons openly, slung over their shoulder, but two, disguised as women, were seen walking off with weapons partly concealed under their robes. Another had his weapon wrapped in a blanket and held on his chest as if it were a baby.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/humanitarian-truce-confusion-endangers-group-of-aid-workers/article19684106/

NC & co shout: *An ambulance was attacked* —I wonder why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khqeDKtHXQE&feature=related

NC & co shout :*A school was targeted* –I wonder why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI&feature=channel

NC & co shout : * A mosque was attacked*-I wonder why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zd55Zhj5gQ

NC & co shout : * A funeral was attacked *–I wonder why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQLGYb9Xfo

Hamas, Hezbollah, the Janjaweed, Jemaah Islamiyah, and Al-Shabaab are all employ similar tactics -–all are masters of spin.

And as for that question
<<My answer is a question to you: Do you agree to a genuine third party arbitration to decide what is the occupied territory?>>

My answer : NO! I don’t want any third party’s answer. I want to here what YOU think NC
C’mon tell all those liberal softies out there what you really want.

SPQR,
You refuse to accept an impartial third-party arbitration on the question of what is the occupied territory. Not surprised. Israel wouldn’t accept it either. Reason? An impartial third party will uphold justice, which you and Israel don’t want.

On the other hand, I will accept an impartial third-party arbitration on the question of what is the occupied territory, and so will, I trust, every peace loving and just citizen of the world. This settles the question you raised, at least for these posts.

The reason Israelis don’t want justice on the issue is their hope that they would be able to perpetuate into permanence their exploitation of Palestinian’s lands and resources by force. Colonial settlers (Colons) of 1st and 2nd quarters of the 20th century in North Africa had the same hope, given the powerful colonial forces behind them, like Israeli military of today. They were wrong, and so are the Neo-Colons Israel sponsors today.

Lesson from history: Exploitations shorn from historic context are permanent only in the deluded minds of the exploiters. Israel’s exclusive reliance on force is driven by a false premise that they are up against ONLY a much inferior Palestinian force.

WRONG again. Israel’s fight is against the world-conscience. And this adversary is way too STRONG. The current global isolation of Israel is a prelude for thinking people to what lies ahead for Israel.

On the ground realities, nobody is interested in the misinformation the likes of you are trying to spread.

When:

• A UN Relief and Works official (Christopher Gunnes) observes that “the rights of Palestinians, even their children, are wholesale denied and it is appalling” before he COLLAPSES INTO TEARS in front of the camera;
• The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (Navi Pillay) declares Israel’s offensive in Gaza Strip a “deliberate defiance” of International Law; and
• The UN Human Rights Council resolves to call an independent probe into Israel’s war crimes in Gaza

You have a conclusive view of the ground realities.

NC: on the question of what is the occupied territory.

NC, you don't understand, this is land that the Palestinians & Syrians lost in a War they started. So it's not "occupied" it's Territory legitimately "Won" in War. As such it all belongs to Israel. The Palestinians were lucky they were allowed to stay. They have since shown just how grateful they are by attacking & killing innocent Israeli women & children indiscriminately for the last 27 years.

This time they should round up every Hamas supporter & try them for murder. Not only of Israeli people but of Palestinian people.

No word from McAdam or nutter on my little quiz. Or Steelie on his Bomb yet. Wassar madder, a piggie got ya tongue.

Dear LEGO, you said:-
Palestinians provoked Israel ( because):-

They belong to a failed religion

"Palestinians" desire to destroy Israel

"Palestine" does not build Ipods or microchips. It is not economically viable. Its population growth is idiotic in a "country" with no jobs. It exists on UN goodwill

Your charge sheet is almost identical to Nazi charge sheet against Jews, justifying what is called holocaust. You and some of your supporters cheer Israel for killing Palestinians and prove Junaid right when he writes that massacre in Gaza is being cheered on as cutting grass.

Islam a failed religion? On what basis? Have you studied it? I am sure you have not, for if you had, you might as well have been one of the scores of people in the west who are embracing it. I have personally witnessed reversion to Islam of Christian and Jewish persons in USA. This is the fastest growing religion in the world, particularly in Europe and USA.

Palestinians want to destroy Israel? With what? Intentions are manifested in capabilities and not rhetoric. What do they have to destroy Israel with? Rockets ? Which are effective no more than fire works and Israel with the most modern arsenal including nukes. Or the suicide attacks? which Hamas has carried out none since 2004 as they promised; Says Jimmy Carter and he further says that Israel went back on its commitment made in Camp David , not to build any more settlements. Please see his book "Palestine, Peace not Apartheid". Title says it all, please read it, please read the writing on the wall.

Thanks and Best regards

Dear Jayb,

Engaging with you in the past is like trying to reason with a cantankerous lap dog but since you seem intent on continually pissing on my shoe let's try again shall we.

You wrote;

“Hamas has fired 20000+ unguided Rockets into Civilian areas of Israel. The sole purpose is create terror & kill women & children. Do we agree on that point.”

No of course not because it is rot. Hamas is striking back with inaccurate weaponry to put pressure on the Israeli government. They obviously know how ineffectual they are at hitting any targets but they continue to do so, at great risk to its resistance fighters, because they have very little alternative means of applying that pressure.

Do you really think that if they were given access to weaponry on a par with Israel on the proviso that they purely target on the same criteria as the IDF that they wouldn't jump at the chance?

What if they declared a 100 km zone around Gaza that was in the range of their rockets and said all civilians within that area were given 24 hours to evacuate to the north of Israel for their own protection? Would that satisfy you?

As to Hamas firing 20000 rockets (doubtful) I guarantee Israel has hit far more targets within Gaza with far more devastating munitions than anything that has come their way.

Now the bomb, it is probably a GBU-12 Paveway II based on the MK82. It has nearly 90kg of high explosive in comparison to less than 5 kg of ordinary TNT in a typical Qassam. It also has a blast area nearly 50 times the Qassam. It is a very effective child killer as we have seen.

What of it?

As to the IDF pinpointing targets what rubbish.

Here is them taking out a row of apartment building over an hour;
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-intensifies-gaza-assault-as-egyptian-mediators-revise-truce-plan-1.1881609#

And striking a row of ambulances reacting to an earlier bombing;
http://www.euronews.com/nocomment/2014/08/01/violent-explosion-in-gaza/

And just today hitting yet another UN school;
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/gaza-israeli-strike-on-un-school-kills-at-least-10-1.1886305

NC,

Soooo 17 lines --more than ¾ of your post--all about why I should accept a third party’s definition.AND STILL NO ANSWER FROM YOU as to what you consider occupied territory.

I want to hear YOUR answer –YOUR DEFINITION. I want all those naive soft liberals out there to hear what you consider occupied , C’mon NC own-up!

So again NC :WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF OCCUPIED TERRITORY –HOW MUCH OF ISRAEL WOULD YOU TAKE BACK?

And I note you're up to those “diversions” again, side issues you claim to dislike so much << Colonial settlers (Colons) of 1st and 2nd quarters of the 20th century in North Africa had the same hope>> NC , old chap, if it hadn’t been for colonial settlers & occupation there would be no Islamic Middle East –and Egypt would still be Coptic & in a lot happier state.

And please don’t hide behind “human rights”. When has your side ever been interested in “human rights”? You use it as a pretext -a shield!. Have you told your Lefty allies that you still consider them infidels? They are trading under the misapprehension that you are going to divide the cake with them LOL. Little do they realize that you are going to shaft them just as you did after the Ayatollah's rise to power in Iran.