Why don't you identify yourself. You fat coward?

Your own Torah tells you what to expect.
You reap what you sow.
When you sow fear and hatred and atrocity ... well you get the drift.

SPQR,
So, I “regurgitate rumours”, according to you.

• Death of 1500 civilians and injuries to thousands, destruction of homes, schools, hospitals etc from Israeli brutalities - is a rumour?
• Continuous occupation of Palestinians’ lands and unending squeeze placed upon them to progressively worsen their living conditions by Israel – is a rumour?

What world do you live in, SPQR?

The posts responding to Junaid’s article have a focus on the ongoing loss of life and property at the hands of Israel. And you keep introducing diversions to change the subject.

Like before, I will touch your diversions, but, to your frustration, refuse to change the subject.

Kings/dictators all over the world were propelled by their greed, be it Mughals, Ghaznawi, Ghouri etc in India or Alexander, Roman kings, Jengheze, Helaqo, Napolian, Hitler and countless others in the other parts of the world including the mass-scale killers of the colonial onslaught of the recent past.
Problem with you is that you want all eyes shut to the bloodshed elsewhere in the world and like to have people believe that only Muslims do it.

Why? Because you try to build up a case against the besieged Palestinians. And your case is: Muslims are abhorrent, Palestinians are Muslims therefore they deserve what is happening to them.

And then you try to have the readers believe that you are not an Islamophobe!

Possbilians are harmless souls. They place themselves between certainties of the extreme positions taken up by religionists and atheists. Seething with extreme hatred against a faith, how possibly can you be a Possiblian?

This is my response to the hypothetical question posed as to what would Palestinians do if they had their way. Kindly consider :-
None of the listed scenarios may materialize and your worst fears may come true. Or the out come may be to your pleasant surprise, who knows? Let us see an example from the contemporary history. A "threat to the system, a potentially dangerous man"was imprisoned by the apartheid regime of South Africa for nearly his life time, for similar fears, but Nelson Mandela, came up with love for his oppressors, reconciliation and forgiveness. Who knew he would?

Every one is innocent unless proven otherwise is one of the universally accepted principles of justice. No one can be punished for the suspicion of what he might do. If you were to exterminate Palestinians because you suspect they may harm you in the future, then you may as well have to nuke the entire human race other than you self.
Obviously it is an absurd thought and you do not want to do that; no one does.

If we rise above the holier than though attitude and consider and treat fellow humans as equals, the problem would be solved. You have the right to eye for eye and tooth for tooth and no right to thousand teeth for one tooth and thousand eyes for one eye. Torah that I know, does not give that right. Jesus, a Jew, advised turning the other cheek. It may be a surprise to some, Quranic injunctions are worth pondering over, according to Quran you have right to avenge the wrong by doing exactly that much harm in return and no more and the Quran says, if you can forgive, your reward is greater. Who knows the Palestinian in your hypothetical question, surprises you by acting in accordance with the Quranic injunction; give him a chance......that is the only way to stop this cycle of violence, like Nelson Mandela did
Best regard

NC ,

I love the way you try and twist things. It was you near the start of our little discussion who issued the challenge: << you [can] search in Muslim history of a thousand years [and not find anything comparable to the bloodshed of Western history]>>

Remember that?

Now, because your ignorance of your own history had been exposed –you start singing a different tune: << you want … people believe that only Muslims do it.>>

No where did I SAY that only Muslims do it.
No where did I IMPLY that only Muslims do it.
It was your proud boast (and one we often hear from believers in the religion of peace ) that Islam is above such things which called in the “diversion”

As for your accounts of atrocities I will say to you what I said to Julia’s Nutter :
"if your source for any atrocities is HAMAS (or Hezbullah et la) or any of their campy followers who go by various names, I give them absolutely zero credence."

AND STILL, YOU HAVENT ANSWERED THAT PESKY QUESTION:
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

i'manutter: You reap what you sow. When you sow fear and hatred and atrocity.

Well that accounts for Hamas getting their ar$es kicked, doesn't it. I notice Islamists are kicking everyone just about everywhere in the Middle East at the moment. You lot are sure having fun, eh.

Sorry mate, not Jewish. I'm an Atheist.

I have another video, unfortunately I can't get a link for it. It's about another failed suicide bomber. Guess his name must have been Achmed.

Another story with a truly happy ending!??

The suicide bomber was killed before he could activate his belt and in true Islamic tradition he was raised aloft for the usual chanting public procession as a martyr, BUT somebody forgot to disarm his belt. The result was predictable and instead of being a failure as a suicide bomber, Achmed became a very successful one, albeit with the wrong victims.

I think it is rather a good example of poetic justice.

A good try McAdam (about as Scottish as I am a wallaby) but you didn't answer in approved the dot point manner, just a convoluted diatribe of nothing really. Try the Dot Point way.

Dear McAdam,

You wrote;

“If you were to exterminate Palestinians because you suspect they may harm you in the future, then you may as well have to nuke the entire human race other than you self. Obviously it is an absurd thought and you do not want to do that; no one does.”

Yesterday an op-ed piece was posted on the Time of Israel website. It was titled 'When Genocide is Permissible' and was written by a New York Jew. The Times of Israel is apparently pro-war and pro-settler.

Part of it read;

“I will conclude with a question for all the humanitarians out there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?”

Given that 85% of Israelis approve of the current slaughter this writer obviously thought he was tapping into mainstream sentiment. He has since been sacked by the organisation and offered a complete apology, but the fact that he thought there would be he could get away with it speaks volumes.

http://gawker.com/here-is-an-israeli-paper-column-titled-when-genocide-i-1614631309?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

That aside I think it is instructive to recognise the difference in tactics of those in the West Bank compared to Gaza. The Palestinian people initially voted in Hamas into power, ultimately that power was taken from them in the West Bank and they were left in control of Gaza.

Through settlement activity, Israeli government housing projects in East Jerusalem and other areas of the West Bank, plus the building of connecting roads has meant the cancer of illegal settlements has eaten away at the West Bank so it now presents as the image of a diseased organ with just a third of it under direct Palestinian control.

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