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Why tolerate religion? : Comments

By Ralph Seccombe, published 19/6/2014

Given the universal human rights of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc etc, should there be a separate and additional category of religious rights?

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dan/quote..<<..There is much~with which we agree...But you undercut the Gospel message/when you cast doubt\on the truth/of God's word. For example,\was*.there a.. fall?>>

the big~bang[the fall]..created this place/realm.

separated from our fathers\too-perfect/heaven..
[until/we accept/our;wages[grace/mercy]..and re-unite/[at~one*meant]

we/as-much~as\SATAN/WANTED/THAT-which\HEAVEN CANT PROVIDE/
[the illusory made real]..so we..created this materialised realm/
away from\the ever~omni-presnt love grace\mecy[cause we cant simply forgivE/nor forget\..=..[to*get grace/grace/must first be made real./by giving it/

<<..Evolution says\there wasn't,..the Scripture
says/there was...Which is true?>>

..CHALK AND CHEESE

WE/each\;..Here*..FELL/MORALLY[TO/GET\HERE*]
EVOLUTION~is immoral..[survival of/the fittest\the powerfull exploit the weak[sorry eat the weak]..the meak inherit the hot~earth/canines excrete.

<<..Jesus came to/reverse the effects of>>>
the creed/that stated\we die/till some distant
illusory/[never comes ]//judgment day

thats satanist/mortal\thought
..using freewill\to spin/lies/illusions\delusions]material/deceptions

<<the fall.>>-us/all;[just/
beING-HERE..PROVES..*WE-all/FELL.

FALL-was alL..of us/HERE~NOW*..in satans realm

jesus<<>>came-to conquer death.>>
revealing there is..no Resurrection/'DAY'\nor judgment daze

<<>>He paid/the penalty>>

is a satanic aburdity[he]cant remove
oUR..*WILL/URGE\PURGE,..[...NEED..]..TO SIN

<<..God said\to Adam,..if you eat/of the fruit..>>

please note here..<<you..>>the ignorant
ape/pig hybRED SAVAGE..[primative BEAST]..<<.. will die.)>>AND THE NEW/YOU EMERGE

<<>.With evolution,\death is normalISED/ignored as having anything usefull..<<and sin doesn't exist.>>i..n survival of the best fed-beast.

<<.According to the Gospel,\death is an intrusion>>
BUT BRIEFLY/AS OUR SOUL EMERGES TO GET ITS PROMISE[OF MORE OF THE SAME WILL BE GIVEN

Christ defeated DEATH through his crucifixion[DEATH/DYING-WAITING JUDGMENT-DAY]..and resurrection.

<<..Evolution is contrary to Scripture.>>

=no its not/the bible records the
evolution of man/from hybred/to human/to humane

<<>.self evident truth.>>
nothing concealed/that will-not be rvealed

yu*2<<..Evolution..knows not about life, =..or sin or fall or death: it is indifferent to all/that really matters!>>once man/has eaen;the bitter fuits of our individual fall[into satans realm

<<>.Scripture is thus the means...rather than the end>>
recording mans/moral-evolution/a progressive revealation[like all sacred texts/to guide our spirits evolution

<<..Jesus did not waste his time./Jesus did not die for nothing, but he taught certain disciples>>

the cultural context/fruits of greed/creed rite and ritual

<<..today,..then surely he will/use different lessons and concepts to suit contemporary disciples and cultures:>>

too true

<<>.he calls his own\sheep/by name and leads them out.>>by grace.mercy
then satan claims his own..by their works[A/BEAST~..in the\stable;..knows-its/masters-voice;ways.
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 13 July 2014 10:17:35 AM
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It seems to me that you're saying that the Bible has no relevance to the real world in which I live. It's only a story book. Perhaps it has spiritual lessons but doesn't connect with real life.

However, the Bible is about this world, this real, true world. Jesus was born in a real time and place. Just read some of it. It talks about this real world. Start with the Gospel of Luke: "Many people have set out to write accounts about the events that have been fulfilled among us. They used the eyewitness reports circulating among us from the early disciples. Having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I also have decided to write a careful account for you, most honorable Theophilus, so you can be certain of the truth of everything you were taught."

Jesus went on to die on a real Roman cross. It was not a hypothetical situation. For people who think that the Bible has no relevance to the real world, Francis Schaefer would ask, if you stood by the cross of Jesus, and ran your hand down the wood, would you feel the splinters?
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Sunday, 13 July 2014 12:10:41 PM
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OF COURSE THE BIBLE HAS Relevance
ITS A RECORD ACROSS TIME/if nothing else
but as for being nfalably the word of god/not by a long shot

having refuted gods hand/it never the less was wrote by the means god gave to see it so recorded[as some say.we all are god;hence nothing god does not do

but mercifully w know the names of who saw what to be written.
we know that soloman was a homo/or bisExual so that is vital to know where he extensivLY TALKS OF LOVE.

we have the personal witness/of the gospil[gospil means witnessed]
the bible contains words that limit and conFne a concept of godis reachable by doing as we saw the christ do..

PALMS IS..WELL WHO KNOWS..it feels an eVOLVING REVELATIONOF GODS MANY FACITS[damm it dan the text are sacred*/informative personal witnes/but they are not gods commands

god didnt command the guy/that was going to kill his own son
[the godof life isnt served by any DEATH
yet the concept of a scape goat/to take the sin/that falicy lives on

we sin by a love of sin
how about the man/that wrestled with demons/devils but he says he WRESTLED WITH AND ANGEL[yes an angel of satAO

n[good grace mercy lve dont wrestle;FIGHT\
we make love all night/not fight[we can tell them by their wORKS,

ASK WHY THE peasents of old swore the truth
by inserting their right haND UNDER THE JUDGES LEFT thigh..DAMM CAPS..anyhow the context of the times explain why[its a perfect reord of the moral evolution of man[and the last page assures peace]

ahhhh
men*

mene many men eh?
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 13 July 2014 1:55:18 PM
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Dan S, there is no proof that there is a God,Devil, or that Jesus died on the cross to save our sins, it is only written in a book, show us the physical proof, which you cannot do and neither can any one else.
Posted by Ojnab, Sunday, 13 July 2014 2:25:57 PM
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Dear Dan,

Such questions as to whether or not the bible relates to the same physical universe that we perceive by our senses and science, could only arise in the modern mind.

The seeds of historical thinking as we know it today were sewn by the Greeks and Romans, but were yet unknown at the time of the old testament.

Like any modern person, you assume that the world is real - whereas I tell you that only God is real.
Spiritual lessons ARE about the real life - the everlasting life, rather than scientific accounts which only tell about the biological-function of our garments, our bodies.

I agree that Jesus was crucified on a real Roman cross (to the extent that any physical object can be real), but if your faith depends on that, then you have a vulnerability. Should, God forbid, it be proven scientifically that this was not the case, would that be able to shake your faith even one iota? would that make you turn away from God? would that make you seek women and wine instead? would that make you despise the poor? would that make you proud and think of yourself as almighty? If there is a devil, then he surely is looking for such cracks to enter.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 13 July 2014 4:45:42 PM
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Show us the spiritual life Yuyutsu, there is no proof of that either, when dead that's it, I do not want to be floating around somewhere with trillions off spiritual beings, who once lived here, for trillions of years in some sort of an afterlife.
Posted by Ojnab, Sunday, 13 July 2014 7:19:46 PM
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