DEAR DAN..I LEFT OFF THE LINK
http://www.spiritwritings.com/GatewayOfUnderstanding.pdf
here is a scientist taking about what he studied [lived]..for 30 years amoung the dead..it better thaN THAT..but unlike 30 years..i cant copy the wisdom encapsulated..on the lambisland thread..where i added in jesus latest words [from a course in miracles]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=48
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please dan..you seem to know science
ignore the other stuff and lets just talk the science
i refuted the science many times..in topic right here[use search function to search evolutionists only need reply]..fact is no one can name names naming the first/life
naming what evlved its genus into the next genus

or even are the differeNT KINGDOMS RELATED IN AN EOLVING LINE N A TREE OR A FORREST WITH MAny non joined evolutions

ie wAS FUNGI THE FIRST LIFE.OR M
or ICROPHAGES OR ALGIEwas there a living lol rna.virus bacteria..
thing is dan ..no one has a clue[the more lever they are/the more specialised[read narrow[..thier knowing..like ecalipts..i ask simply what they evolved into and from..[and the ecualypt expert coundnt even state that

anyhow im ignoring the rumours of war
lets ignore the core gore sore..snore
we are immortal eternal spirits living out one life time..in sentanance..not iconic shemitism anti-shamisem;..no sourcers means no end plan.

we like the demons make it up as we go
i prefer to talk science..but many were called..fewchose to talk; cause its al based on frauds[hollywod propaganda]

take energy=mc2
MASS=ENERGY..IN STASIS..usually measure IN us..dollars
times the speed of light times the speed of light
[ie its pure stuff and nonsence[its over thought over sold

maSS = IMPOTENTIAL STASIS..LIKE VOLUME FITTING A GLASS
AND THE SHAPE OF THE GLASS AFFECTING THE SHAPE WE SEE THE HOLY SPIRITUS BY.

he pourS HIS LIFE..INTO OUR PASSIONATE FORM
THAT WE LIVE/LOVE BY LOGIC

Dear Dan,

I never suggested that God would lie, is whimsical or irrelevant (it's rather the world which is a lie, whimsical and irrelevant).

Before modernism, those same millions were happy to live separate from facts, before facts became so valued and fashionable. Now they don't: had religion not involved itself with facts, then they could still live in faith.

Yes, we live in sin, ever since mankind existed - this is the important message, that sin is inherent in human nature. If there was one progenitor of the human race called 'Adam', then sin started with him and if there were five such progenitors, then sin started with them. If mankind started 5774 year ago, then sin entered 5774 years ago and if mankind started 225774 years ago, then sin entered 225774 years ago. If mankind started and stopped 76 times, then sin too entered 76 times. If mankind evolved and gradually flickered into existence, then sin too flickered gradually into existence.

Given that the lore of the Jews at the time was that they descended from Adam, there was no deception in telling them that sin started with Adam/Eve just as given that they believed that the sun revolves around the earth, there was no deception in telling them that Joshua stopped the sun in Giv'on. This is simply the conveying of the fundamental message in the terms of the prevailing language and culture, so they can understand.

Please don't allow the real message, the good news, to be lost on the chaff, on specifics of language and lore.

No, it is quite possible and legitimate to believe in one part - the blessed message, yet not in another - the lore which happens to convey that message to a particular generation.

Yuyutsu,
I think we are both concerned about the proclamation of the Message (the gospel, the good news.) But it concerns me that the message must be true. Truth is being in alignment with the facts. You seem to be saying that facts don't matter, or that facts and truth are not connected. I have a hard time understanding this kind of language. People of all generations have always been concerned about facts and truth.

You seem to be saying people are better off living ignorant of the facts. Then they could live in faith. But that is not faith. That is living with your head in the sand.

I can appreciate different types of language usage, such as language of appearance. When those at the weather bureau talk about the 'rising' and 'setting' of the sun, that's acceptable and understandable terminology even for today. So too, God's word is clear. When you suggest God's word doesn't fit the facts, it does cast doubt on God's ability to properly communicate or tell the truth. I don't understand how you can think otherwise.

Here are some biblical facts: God wonderfully and purposely created a world (very good); mankind sinned, which was disobedience of God's word; Sin brought death (this entrance of sin and death is referred to as the 'fall'.); Jesus coming to earth was part of God's plan of redemption; Everything one day will be restored back to perfection.

By contrast: evolution is reportedly a purposeless, long, wasteful, cruel and clumsy process; It does not align with God's good creation; It has no plan of redemption; It had no fall. Death was always part of its intrinsic progress. (And how is this good news?)

Which set of facts is correct? Which is true? It can't be both, as they are in opposition.