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Saul was a Jew and had a long history of religious fanaticism. He participated in the stoning to death of the first Christian martyr, Etienne, then became a rabbi before having an illumination and converting to Christianity. His life was marked by physical violence, pain, illness and self-flagellation – to such an extent that he seemed to have masochistic tendencies, detesting himself and the human condition, while glorifying the virtues of obedience and submission.

A symptom of his chronic psychotic illness is to be found in 1 Corinthians 15:8 in which Saul writes : “And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time” (King James Version). In other words, Saul sees himself as “an aborted foetus (who was given life)”.

For Saul, religion appears to have been the sublimation of the death impulse which haunted him all his life. It obsessed him and consumed him. Nero put him out of his misery by decapitating him in Rome in the year 64.

As for the Old Testament, happily it is incomprehensible for most people, otherwise steps would have to be taken to prevent it from falling into the hands of young children. There are very few texts, even today, which can rival with it for sex and violence. Even Adam and Eve, presented as biological twins, produced mankind through incest.

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BJP/3\QUOTE..<<..As for the Old Testament,..happily it is incomprehensible for most people,>>

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<<>.Even Adam and Eve,/presented as biological twins,..produced mankind through incest>>

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[IN DAZE/GONE-BY].

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[clearly the visionaries receiving its envisioning/whether from heaven/or hell..[only by fruit/can we tell]..we are all inextricably intertwined betwist/heaven/hell/its our own chosing/which way we fell.

Dear Yuyutsu,
There's a lot in your last post to which I'd agree.

One ought not base one's faith on various 'facts' which may change like the weather. This is correct. As I've said before, faith is based on hearing and believing the word of God.

Likewise, the problem at the Tree of Knowledge was that the original human pair doubted the words of God, believing that they knew better. We need to have sure faith in God's word.

In terms of loving God, we're commanded to love Him with our heart, soul, mind, and strength. I agree we won't understand everything, but our minds are meant to be engaged.

I'm no fan of Peter Selleck, but his point that the Christian church should be proclaiming its message with the use of music and the arts is good. Through the arts the message can relate to the heart and soul. But to relate to the mind we need logic and clear thinking. We need to cover all aspects. It can be hard to love something you know is untrue or incorrect.

There are many reasons I could give for not accepting the theory of evolution as correct. These relate to it being illogical, as well as contrary to the word of God. In fact it denies the glory to God as creator. I could go into more detail. But how long ago the world was created (or not) is a significant issue with regard to loving God with your mind as well as heart and soul.

I'm still curious to know, who were the people whom you referred to as losing their faith?

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Dear Dan,

The original commandment is literally "Thou shalt love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your 'Nefesh' and with all your veryness".

The English word 'mind' has no Hebrew equivalent.
According to the Kabbalah, the soul has 5 layers, named: "Nefesh", "Ruach", "Neshama", Chaya" and "Yechida" (http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380651/jewish/Levels-of-Soul-Consciousness.htm). The last 4 are translated as: "wind/spirit", "soul", "living" and "unique". So 'Nefesh' is a lower form of spirit, somewhere in between the physical body and the spirit. Accordingly, 'Nefesh' is also shared with animals as well as 'Ruach', while 'Neshama' is not. In any case, it is not 'mind'. As for the literal "veryness", some Jewish scholars interpret this as 'money'! meaning that it's not enough to be airy-fairy, but one should also love God in concrete ways, where it truly hurts. My favourite translation though, is 'capabilities' (that would also include one's financial capability).

Though the popular view is that the theory of evolution is inconsistent with the bible, scientifically/logically it is not: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=13535#234719

You ask who are those I referred to as those poor souls who have lost their faith - you see them all around, whole generations since the so-called "enlightenment", the majority of Westerners, sadly also in my own family. Exposure to materialistic science costed billions of victims.

Dear Banjo,

<<Is God so badly in need of love and affection?>>

Rabbi Yehudah Halevi wrote in a poem:

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The servants of time are slaves of slaves.
The servant of God – he alone is free!
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God doesn't need anything - it's us who need to serve Him if we want to be free.

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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

« God doesn't need anything - it's us who need to serve Him if we want to be free. »
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That’s not freedom, Yuyutsu. It’s servitude. Freedom is unconditional.

The same goes for love. What is the value of a love which is not given freely but only out of need or in order to obtain something in return ? In my opinion it is worthless. It’s prostitution.

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