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Why tolerate religion? : Comments
By Ralph Seccombe, published 19/6/2014Given the universal human rights of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc etc, should there be a separate and additional category of religious rights?
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Posted by one under god, Friday, 11 July 2014 8:05:12 AM
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Posted by one under god, Friday, 11 July 2014 12:25:23 PM
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how can you lot remain mute/its lies all round
[we will know you lot;by ya w\orkits time to hit the streets cant you see a war crime/is only one of many other war crimes but this one in th holy land[done by the godless atheists secularsists/lol re god holy land[the ansyurdity] its not your land its god's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY&feature=em-share_video_user war crimes/media bias/aiding and giving comfort to demons ABC Manipulates Truth to Fit Pro-Israel Bias morehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdKPJZKXtWQ Abby Martin calls out the media framing of the current violence in Gaza and Israel, highlighting how ABC's Diane Sawyer misdirected viewers when reporting on the violence in Israel while showing pictures of destruction in Gaza. LIKE Breaking the Set @ http://fb.me/JournalistAbbyMartin FOLLOW Abby Martin @ http://twitter.com/AbbyMartin Blackwater awarded over $1bn from State Dept. since threat on investigator's life T http://whatreallyhappened.com/podcasts/hourtitle2.m3u Argentineans hold protest at Israel embassy in Buenos Aires http://rt.com/usa/172156-blackwater-contracts-threat-investigator/ Muslim and Arab organizations have gathered outside the Israeli embassy in the Argentine capital Buenos Aires to express outrage at Tel Aviv’s ongoing atrocities against the Palestinians, Press TV reports. http://presstv.com/detail/2014/07/08/370432/argentine-protesters-slam-israel-cruelty/ visit ya sister/then ya dead/we will know them by their deeds http://rt.com/news/172052-gaza-israel-fighting-victims/s Posted by one under god, Saturday, 12 July 2014 5:33:47 PM
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Dear Dan,
Animal instincts in themselves aren't a sin, just a fact - but obeying those instincts is. The body is the body and the world is the world - neither is a good foundation to build faith upon. That there was a fall, that sin, disobedience, corruption, and the curse of death are with us, is evident by the fact that we fail to recognise God. While some are atheists, some of us hold and cherish the idea of God - yet unless God is the reality which we constantly perceive everywhere and in everything, rather than mere thoughts, beliefs and book-learning, we have failed from grace. Restoration is the restoration of our awareness of God - nothing else needs to change: the world may still spin according to the laws of physics and our bodies may continue to obey the instinctive dictates of their genes - but who cares? Once we are aware of the presence of God in everything, we are redeemed and none of that will concern us! Evolution is only relatively 'true' with a small-t. It is true only to the extent that this world is true, only to the extent that materialism and history matter. However, the only Truth is God, there never was anything else nor ever will be. Ask yourself: "Does believing that `the Genesis account of creation pertains to this same universe as investigated by objective science`, helps and supports me to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, to love God and others just as he loved us?". If your answer is 'Yes', then I would be the last to challenge that belief. Indeed, in ages past, most Christians could answer 'Yes', but with the onslaught of modernism, instead, millions strayed from the path as a result of their reliance on that belief, unnecessarily. Redemption isn't by understanding the world, but according to Psalm 24:3-4: "Who can ascend the Lord’s mountain? Who can stand in his holy sanctuary? Only the one with clean hands and a pure heart; the one who hasn’t made false promises, the one who hasn’t sworn dishonestly." Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 12 July 2014 10:12:13 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,
I think anyone who talks about little 't' truth and big 'T' truth is tying themselves in knots. There is only one truth (that which accords with fact and reality.) If something's not true then it's false. Just let your 'yes' be yes and your 'no' be no. God's word is true. Jesus claimed to be truth personified. You're willing to quote Scripture (the Psalms) to me, but you are not willing to stand by the whole of revealed Scripture, including those historical parts which are integral to the Gospel message. Truth will align with Holy Scripture, if God is not a liar. I agree with you on the message of the Psalms. Our hearts need to be pure. There is much with which we agree. But you undercut the Gospel message when you cast doubt on the truth of God's word. For example, was there a fall? Evolution says there wasn't, the Scripture says there was. Which is true? Jesus came to reverse the effects of the fall. He came to conquer death. He paid the penalty due to mankind for sin (as God said to Adam, if you eat of the fruit you will die.) With evolution, death is normal and sin doesn't exist. According to the Gospel, death is an intrusion, and Christ defeated it through his crucifixion and resurrection. If evolution is true, Jesus was kidding himself, and wasting his time. He died for nothing. You decry that many millions have strayed from the path of Scripture (and I agree, unnecessarily.) The call is to return to Scripture. Evolution is contrary to Scripture. At best, it's a nice idea for atheists to court and coddle. It's not (as numerous Christians seem to be have been cajoled) self evident truth. Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Sunday, 13 July 2014 7:11:04 AM
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Dear Dan,
Evolution only speaks about our bodies. It makes no reference to us, it makes no reference to our spiritual well-being, it makes no reference to OUR life - only to the biological activities of the body which it falsely refers to as 'life'. In that limited way it's correct (which is why I give it a small 't'), but it knows not about life, or sin or fall or death: it is indifferent to all that really matters! Suppose you were reading a story-book, then within the context of that book, it would be true (with a small 't') that this hero did such-and-such. In reality however, all you have is a bunch of papers, bound together and dotted with ink. Yet both are true, yet there is no contradiction! The purpose of scripture is to direct us, the lost sheep, back to God. Scripture is thus the means rather than the end - the goal should be no less than to be one with our Father in heaven. Inasmuch as scripture inspires and assist us to fulfil this purpose, then it should be followed, but where and when, for whatever reason it doesn't, the Good Shepherd has infinite other ways in store for us to bring us back. What I decry is not that many millions have strayed from the path of Scripture, but that many millions have strayed from the path to God as a result of erroneously and out-of-context comparing between scripture and objective/scientific findings, then finding discrepancies, no wonder. Better for them would be never to have known those scriptures to begin with, then today they could still be devout to God, rather than straying after their sensual and intellectual pleasures. Jesus did not waste his time. Jesus did not die for nothing, but he taught certain disciples of a certain background and culture according to their level of understanding. Had he been embodied today, then surely he would (and perhaps does) use different lessons and concepts to suit contemporary disciples and cultures: he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 13 July 2014 8:15:44 AM
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I THING/GOD-USED/THE~WORD 'GOOD'
damm-cap
<<if evolution is true,/what can\restoration mean?""
THE WAY/THAT OUR DAMAGED DNA SELF REPAIRS
IN-IT/SELF REFUTING MACRO-EVLUTION[INTO NEW*GENUS]
<<There was no fall.""
THERE HaD/TO BE[WE ARE-IN/SATANS~realm
<<Death always was.""[AN ILLUSION[EACH DEATH-IS A HIGHER INCARNATION[AS OUR SPIRIT*EVOLVES]
SEE EVOLUTION*OF~SPIRIT*
IS HOW OUR SOULS EVOLVED/TO WHERE WE CAN NOW control/a human-form
<<,Sin is""so common/we accept it-AS<<just animal instinct.""
WHICH IT S[OUR LOWER THOUGHTS[become spiritual sins;because/these base thouhts attract-base spirits[often demons/our evil thought is energy for em[pody haunting=sickness
<<There is no such thing as eternal life with God.""
dan/i refUSE TO look upon/my brothers nakedness
life only exists with god[without god there is no\change
as in energy changing state/yet never being destroyed;without god;no life at all[fullstop]
PLEASE PROVE*IT,,<<Life just came to be from matter"
ok dan/name THE first life[20 needed essentials need combine
not one-of you evolutionists know which
pont being evolution dosmnt know how the first life*lived
cant name-it/cant =~replicate it[cause its a theory of evolution of species[not genus;darwin wasnt silly/he knew the differnce
his theory talks OF PIGEONS/EVOLVING INTO PIGIONS/DOGS EVOLVING INTO [DOGS]/AND finches neaks eolving acording to dry or wet season[damm caps]
life came from god
if you cant explain it;
ie evolution/of genus you cant claim it
<<and is slowly improving.""
=MATTER OF OPINION
<<<This is the implications::
<<Jesus purpose is annulled.\/It is not biblical.
It's cancerous to faith,,,as you've noted yourself.""
JESUS PURPOSE WAS DELIBERATLY MISSED
he came/here to refute death/and judgment day
he refuted both by comming back moving to india and having a walled off temple there [walled of by cath-o-holics
<<if we're asked to love God\with all our heart,""
THIS MWANS/WE KNOW-OUR\MASTERS/VOICE=OF THE HEART
WE WILL KNOW HIM VIA GRACE/MERCYlove[the light sutaining logic into life]
2/love god-with~all;your spirit,
to stive t be as god/by serving others,,
as he serves us our life our skill our will and capabilities,
<<we should use our minds''
to/see*life=a given/that life comes from life/love