Dear Banjo,

As long as you live, you serve - like it or not, you cannot help it.

The question is just whom or what you serve - you could either serve your bodily passions, or you could serve God. I firmly believe that if you serve your passions then you will become miserable - but it's really none of my business, it's your own free choice.

Dan and I would rather serve God: if you don't, then go serve your bodily passions, but why then intrude into our conversation?

YU"/quote;the soul/has 5 layers"

YU/QUOTE<<The original\commandment/is literally/"Thou shalt love the Lord your God/\with all your\*'Nefesh'/*\*WILL]/?

and\with/all your/very-ness".[foc*used*PASSION]

The English-word.........'mind'
has/no Hebrew equivalent.[aware/watchful\involved-awareness/rationalizing\motivating/captivating/even compounded capture]

http://lightworkers.org/wisdom/julie-miller/157032/what-do-we-mean-body-mind-soul-spirit

Biologists,chemists and physicists\know that/this\wondrous body is composed of,some 75 trillion cells,\each in turn/composed of various REDUPLICATED-molecular/substances/such/as DNA\mitochondria and RNA which,in turn,\are composed/of\GOOGILIONs\of atoms/circa 10 to the 27th power)which are composed/of countless-subatomic “particles”

[which need\to be/more accurately designated/“wavicles”\because they are mysteriously/\both/discrete and also diffused/in spacetime (defying/all Western logic\ITS/STRINGS/OF CAPTURED\PHOTONS/loping like ball-lightening

).Moreover,\modern physics/has shown us\over\this last century that the atoms\which constitute/our bodiesare largely (/99.9999999999999%) composed of empty space!

On the bodily,physical level,\we are\a play-of light,\more akin to dreamlike\no-things/than “solid somethings.”Turning to that aspect\of ourselves/we call,“the mind,”'

we find the\psyche actually ranges\from/“lower mind”computational-functions\all the way through the “higher mind”-function/we might call\fruits/of\the “soul.”

The former,/which can-be\categorized\as/the “normal-mind,”consists in 1)\perceptions\which organize\raw bodily sensations due to various kinds\of bio-electro-magnetic vibrations\into familiar-entities such as recognizable colors,\sounds,/SHAPES\/tactile and kinesthetic sensation,\smells and tastes,-movements,\processes,/places,\objects, persons,etc.;

2)*sensation/seeking\for relevant,/meaningful data-in one’s awareness-environment/or within\one’s own/memory-banks\or/reservoir\of knowledge;

3)*value-judgments/and emotional\reactions—the former\basically dividing good-bad,\appropriate-inappropriate,\.the latter dividing into emotional-charges;associated with like/and\dislike,/attachments and aversions,\and all\the permutations\thereof:joy,elation, euphoria,delight,/fear,\anger,shame,guilt,envy,jealousy,\trauma, shock;

4)*memories\of a/constructed \past;

5)*anticipations\of an/expected future;

6)*abstract*“philosophical”*concepts\about/the world
and\the meaning/of\certain*PROCEDURAL-events;

7}*linguistic mental\processing/structured
by grammar/and syntax,/deployed either to speakor u/nderstand speech;

8)*athematical\mental processing;
9)*dreaming,daydreaming,\fantasizing,/modeling,\planning
or creative\“channeling”/of new-ideas.[Associated\with-both the lower mind\and/higher*mind/(see\below)\are some rather wondrous, "extraordinarily ordinary" powers\of consciousness/thatmost folks simply take/for granted.

7000/words deleted

As souls,\we/are capable\of a much-wider array\of/experiences than when\we are identified/merely with bodily and (lower) mental aspects of being.

We can\associate/with multiple-levels \/of manifestation,/from the earth-planes/to the\highest heavens,/and\all kinds of subtle realmsin between—pleasant\or/unpleasant.

The bottom-line/is that/almost nothing\is known
about*how our\brains/“produce”\[consciousnessTHEY/DONT]

The idea that/neuroscientists\are just several-years\away from-explaining consciousness/in terms\of material brain processes,/IS/UNREALISTIC-

Dear Banjo,

<<need of love and affection?>>
[we are created/in his image\why not purpose?}
to get love/you must learn to recieve/it graciously/if\when/its revealed

""=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The servants of time
are slaves in time/thus are slaves of slaves.to time*
The servant of God – he alone is freed - out of time!
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God doesn't need anything/nor any-one
it's us who need/Him if we want to be/as he intends us to be.

Dear Yuyutsu,«it's us/who need-to serve/Him\if we want\to be free. »
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banjo<<-not freedom,....It’s servitude.
Freedom/is unconditional.""[ie grace/mercy;love/light sustaining all-life/equally

<<The same goes for love./What-is\the value of
*a love\which-is/not-given freely/\>"

thats easy/its-not\;good'-love
it/verges/on]a\love-of/sin,[a lust]

<<but/only\out*of/need""
we all/need-to\love
BEING LOVED/SNT THAT SPECIAL/ITS MAINLY-talk
TALK IS CHEAP/but so\to is/threat talk/or other demeaning dis-communion

<<or\in order/to obtain/Something\in return<?
SURE/WE GIVE/LOVE\RESPECT/TIME/TO OTHER
hoping it returns/its like setting the dove free/if it comes back[it came back/for something[love of food/love of mate/lovE OF CREATIONS/CHILDS]

<<In my opinion/it is worthless.""
IN MINE ITS PRICELESS

<<It’s prostitution.""
ONE HAND WASHES THE OTHER/

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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

« … you could either serve your bodily passions, or you could serve God … »
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That seems to me to be a fairly restrictive view of life, Yuyutsu. I think there’s a bit more to it than just “bodily passions” and God. I am not alone in this world. There are loads of people I could and do “serve”. Also, from what I can understand, God is just an hypothesis for the time being.

I shall be quite happy to put him on the list of people to “serve” the moment I am convinced that he is not just an hypothesis but a reality (i.e., something which exists independently of ideas concerning it).

As regards “bodily passions”, I am not sure exactly what you have in mind. Perhaps you could be a little more explicit. In any event, whatever you may imagine them to be, I honestly don’t see myself as limited simply to “bodily passions”.

Though I admit it may not be evident from my posts on this thread, I do indulge in a little intellectual activity occasionally. Perhaps you consider minds to be “bodily” too, but even if you do, I assure you that my thoughts are very rarely, if ever, “passionate”.
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You conclude :

« Dan and I would rather serve God: if you don't, then go serve your bodily passions, but why then intrude into our conversation? »
.

Please accept my sincere apologies, Yuyutsu. I should have known better.

It will never happen again.

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"why are you disgusted? It is good to be disgusted with oneself, it helps humility. But really there is nothing to be disgusted about. It is God testing you. All is His Will. What happens inside and outside us is His Will. So why the disgust?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/lost-child-abuse-files-home-office

http://www.newsforage.com/2014/07/bbc-staff-ordered-to-stop-giving-equal.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBdRFWAYkBk

feel the love?
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/07/07/feeling-the-love-in-jerusalem-revisited/

secular ways
of a secular state?
secular is code for demonic
[by their wurks/lurks/purks/will we know them]

then/what?
let them grow togeth till harvest
[till death us do part]give that of satan to satan
leave that of god t0 god...yet ye arte god/

THE corperatised/dead-
GHOULS/consume the living
http://mortgagemovies.blogspot.com/2014/07/kingcast-and-mortgage-movies-see-rcw.html

the living are bound/know thy master
this is satans secular/god*free/realm

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/an-eye-for-an-eye/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/despite-crackdown-palestinians-organize-long-term-peace/

Dear Yuyutsu,
You say the popular view is that evolution is inconsistent with the Bible. That's not the popular view at all amongst believers here at OLO Forum (e.g George, Sells.) I am usually alone in pointing out the unbiblical nature of evolution theory. But in the end, what's popular doesn't matter. Being accurate and correct is what really counts.

There have been many discussions concerning the age of the universe and the speed of light, etc. all very interesting. But consider the overall message within the Gospel. It begins with a perfect creation, the first human couple in harmonious existence with God. Then came sin, disobedience, corruption, and the curse of death. The Gospel message is that Jesus came to reverse the curse and restore all things as they were, perfect in the beginning.

Yet if evolution is true, what can restoration mean? There was no fall. Death always was. Sin is just animal instinct. There is no such thing as eternal life with God. Life just came to be from matter and is slowly improving. This is the implications of materialistic philosophy. Jesus purpose is annulled. It is not biblical. It's cancerous to faith, as you've noted yourself.

I appreciate your insights into ancient Hebrew. So if we're asked to love God with all our heart, spirit, and capabilities, it would seem that includes everything, our whole being, including the mind. At the least, we should use our minds to keep a reasonable faith and remain faithful to the words and clear message of the Gospel.