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Why tolerate religion? : Comments

By Ralph Seccombe, published 19/6/2014

Given the universal human rights of freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc etc, should there be a separate and additional category of religious rights?

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Yuyutsu,
I'm not sure if you're referring to the Greeks and Romans as modern or not. Yet they were people with a lot in common with us. Jesus, God's Son, was sent to us during the time of the Roman Empire. The subsequent New Testament was written in Greek, by Jews who understood the Old Testament. It's all very real and this worldly. It relates to our times. Jesus was born and lived in a real time and place, and had relations and encounters with real people. The apostles communicated the Gospel message using words and propositional truths that are relatable and understandable.

My faith is not based on science. As I've said before, it is based on the words of the prophets and apostles. And I appreciate God's ability to communicate His message clearly through understandable language.

You say you believe the roman cross on which Jesus died was real. So do I. At least that's a start. What else does the New Testament teach us?
"Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone."(Romans 5:18)
The NT is saying that the meaning of Christ's timely mission relates back to Adam at the beginning of time. If Jesus and his death on the cross are real, then so is Adam and his actions in the Garden of Eden. And we, all people on this earth, are physically related to Adam.

The Scripture relates to real life in this world. This is the world in which I live. If your faith does relate to this real world, then it is of no use or help to my situation.
Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Sunday, 13 July 2014 10:38:18 PM
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http://preceptaustin.org/romans_518-19.htm Romans 5:18 ..as one man’s trespass.[one man’s false*step
and falling away..led/to condemnation for all men,..>>

by/what absurdity/is\the sin of the father/to fall on the chIld>

<<>so one/Man’s act/of..righteousness..[leads]..to acquittal
and../right-standing\with..God/and\..life..for*all men.>>

lets/have~a..look/..again

right-standing..with god?
why?..did god notcondem//mankind ..ecause of able?
murder/of brother/as opposed/to eating/the fruits of life'a~la/nutural*[wild-free]/at whim/of tide+time

\<<..Therefore as-by\the offense..*of one judgment>>

no/please know/the serpent/got his/eve got hers and adam got his[but cain..got the soil/he as first-born tilled/BUT EVER REFUSED TO Yield

3 judgments>..paid off in full by noah/the flood*
then the judgments of soddem/and goneria/tower of babble
and lots lot/and the mark of cain/plus\the one.who so loved god/who got/

as he go\one/juge/many judgments/by the l0rd
ie not god

[god is mentioned/in early genesis/then the//lord saTan/took over walking to and fro/..talking to eve[asking did~god forbid./[or did adam]'..it was adam

and via the noahtide\laws he as father/of eve..forgive his daughter her foolishnes/as brother oF/the cloned-eve/he could forgive his sister/as husband fOrgive wife/and a man forgive woman[

one judgement
<<..came upon all\men to condemnation;>>

see that this..seems collective punishment
[god dont\do that[but..the lord could]

<<.....even so by\the righteousness..of one\the free gift
came upon\all men..unto justification of life.>>

ie jesus life that overcame death
like he told the thief on the cross
tOday he too would enTer the next life..
/[astral plane]/to sort who goes to heaven[proper]..
and hell..[heaven for sinners\where all the sinners/LOving-their~SINS...dwelL.;in hell

<<..(Vincent writes "correctly,..one act\of righteousness")NLT: Yes, \Adam’s one sin brought condemnation upon everyone..but Christ’s one act of righteousness..[>>

returning from/the grave
[shoal:or wherever the heck the dead supposedly/dwell
untIL REseRCTION DAY/JESUS REBUFFED judgment-day//As\\..WEll

jesus overcame death*[MANS/MORTAL ENEMY/ACROSS-TIME,.
that death/JESUS ALONE/conquered is\the miracle
PLUS/HE\SAID;THAT-YE~SEE/ME..DO[YE SHALT-DO BETTER]
BETTER/than god][of/course-not]//he revealed we are/all suns//of the light.

<<..makes all people/right\in God’s sight..and gives them life.>>

one life giving good god
of grace\mercy\light/life\love..[all not GOOD/is not of god]

1<<>.Because one person disobeyed God,>>

$atan

<<>>many people-became sinners.>>

as/his fall creTaed/the big-bang/HERE.

<<..But because\one other person..obeyed God,..[see jonah]

<<..>>many people will>>ARE<<..be made right..in God’s sight.>>

GOD LIVES WITHIN/EVERY-LIVING BEING
GOD..lies with~in..[god sees..through our eyes/
feels..via our sEnses/know'S whaT we know

loves what we collectivly..love
[ie..everything*]god/sustains..even/
the least-to;live...[proving/he-dont/judge..no-being..;..their~means/of\being*
Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 July 2014 12:05:46 AM
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Dear one under god,

.

You wrote :

« how can you lot remain mute/its lies all round
[we will know you lot;by ya w\orkits time to hit the streets

cant you see a war crime/is only one of many other war crimes
but this one in th holy land[done by the godless atheists secularsists/lol re god holy land[the ansyurdity]
its not your land
its god's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY&feature=em-share_video_user »
.

It seems that monotheism may not have been such a good idea after all. If there is just one single god, a unique god, how can he be shared out to fit everyone’s belief ? It’s just not possible.

Everyone wants the unique god to correspond to his own beliefs, not to anyone else’s. Everybody wants a monopoly.

The hot spot is in the Greater Middle Eastern Area where monotheism was born. As you say, one under god :

« its not your land, its god's »

Perhaps you should add :

« it’s not your god, it’s god’s »

.
Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 14 July 2014 2:59:52 AM
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Dear one under god,

.

If the worst comes to the worst, it may be possible to allocate bits and pieces of the unique god to the principal protagonists :

• God the Father to the Jews,
• God the Son to the Christians
• God the Holy Ghost to the Muslims

The vaporosity of the Holy Ghost would allow the Shiites to see it in whatever form corresponds to their beliefs and the Sunnites could see it in whatever form corresponds to theirs. That way they would not have anything to squabble about.

What do you think ?

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Monday, 14 July 2014 7:08:14 AM
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the real banjo
RE/MY/ISRAEL CHALLANGE.\<<..It seems that monotheism may not have been such a good idea after all.>>

banjo/that mess\in irael has nothing/to do with religion
IT MAY/HAVE TAKEN ME..A WHILE\TO LEARN/WHAT SECULAR MEANS/but its clear...that secularity-ALONE/is causing the polarization[divide/conquer]

its/the godless/versus\those/of god
ITS THAT SIMPLE/..RELIGIOUS WOULD RATHER\WASTE/OUR TIME/TALKING OF GOD..AND HIS CREATION/THAN INVENT\invert\means to destroy/the lot of it

<<..If there is just\one single god,.\\,..how can\he be/shared out to fit..everyone’s belief'S?>>

think of god/as a..COMMUNITY/COLLECTIVE.AMALGAMATE/of GOOD/PURE-USEULL/TRUE-thought..[of course there\isnt/just the one god..
..[although im told..the holy spirit../is..at..one-ness]..[atonement..;at~one_meant*]

BUT THAT\ONE-meanT.\IS LIKE THE/26 LETTERS\OF the aphabet/
with just/THAT ONE/SYSTEM/ALL ..life;lives/light radiates/and laws have logic...LIKE WORDS/FORMED..FROM/THE=LETERS.

our specific god\is of course..;..the sun/who sustains the fathers [the holy father\LIVING-spirit's potenial\INTO\realistion/WITH-in these\rEALISED/satanIC realms

think/of it like al.. our bloggers..via individual computers yeT making a thing..greater than/ourselves[the INTER-WEB]

<<..Everyone>.[EXCEPT THE GODLESS]..<<.\wants the unique-god to correspond to his own beliefs,..not to anyone else’s.>>

GROSs EXAGGERATION/THAT YET LEADS/TO A TRUISM
<<..Everybody wants a monopoly.>>

<<..Perhaps you should add :
it’s not your god,..it’s god’s..>>

god/of\course/has no need/for us
or/indeed anything..;in..satans realm
WHEN/i say gods/land..im saying so they themselves say
the godless of course feel free to lie/about this god conundrum[but as eternal spirit/living out a 'life-term'

<<..If the worst comes\to the worst,>>
AND THE GODLESS WIN..EVERYTHING..IN THis accursed realm
so what?..its served its use/god..allways gives us\our needs/wants
[even if only.\during our sleep-times]..when our physical obsession seeks temporal abeyance.

<<..it may be possible\to allocate bits and pieces>>

OK CLEVER
LOL

<<..The vaporosity of the Holy Ghost>>

interesting concept
is electicity a vapour?

like god/..the web=machines/programs/joinder/info
unlike the web/god dont forget anything/that is true/good or useful
imagine/IF YOU WILL/two parallel webs/one full of truth/good/the other ful of fowl/not good;faulse.[these we call heaven/hell;..the fruits/of our passions/works\wurks.]

point being/some enjoy heLL ALL THE MORE.CAUSE ITS NOT REALLY REAL
liKE PASSION IS PERCIEVED AS FIRE/HEAT

would allow..anyone/to see it i..n whatever form-corresponds to their MISS-beliefs/DELUSIONS/COLLUSIONS/CONFUSIONS...That way they would not have anything to squabble about.
I try not to think/about..it..yet.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 July 2014 9:01:30 AM
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http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/prov/23.7?lang=eng

Chapter 23

Labor not to be rich—As a man thinks in his heart, so is he—
Withhold not correction from a child—Be not among drunkards.

1 When thou sittest to eat/with a ruler,>>..
HAVING FOLLOWED custom/and protocol..<<..consider diligently what is before thee:>>

ONE..NEEDS Ask..WhY THIS ADVICE

<<..2 And put a knife to thy throat,..if thou
be a man given to appetite.3 Be not desirous of his dainties:>>

THis is an all encompasing..appitite
HIS/NO OUR..daInty..TIES..

>>for they are deceitful meat>>.
MUCH LIKE moxck meat[ie soy dust bound with egg whites..
faux meat:..

<<4 Labour not ..to be rich:..cease from thine own wisdom.
5 Wilt thou set thine eyes..upon/that which is not wise?

for riches certainly make themselves wings;
they fly away..as an eagle toward heaven.

..;6 Eat thou not the bread>>..leven..<<....of him that hath an evil ....eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:7..*For as he thinketh in*..his heart, so is he:

Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart
is not with thee.8 The morsel which thou hast eaten
shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.

9 Speak not in the ears..of a fool:..for he will despise\the wisdom of thy words...10 Remove not the old landmark;..and enter not into the fields of the fatherless/or faithless.

:11 For their redeemer...is mighty; he shall plead their cause..with thee.12 ..Apply thine heart*/PASSIOnS..unto instruction,...and thine ears to the words/of knowledge...knowing thyne masters voice by the affectation/of their wurds.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 July 2014 4:27:58 PM
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