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The awful funeral : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 14/3/2014

We now attend funerals in which a number of speakers are let loose on the congregation tolling the virtues of the deceased, often blubbering into the microphone as they read scripts spat out by computer printers.

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Dear George,

It is not possible to define God in any positive terms, because any such attempt would imply that God were somehow limited. This includes all three cases that you mentioned: delusion; act of being; and being/existence itself.

Instead, I follow the "Neti Neti" principle of the school of Advaita Vedanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neti_neti), whose Western equivalent is Via Negativa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_negativa).

Despite the inability to define God, sages tell us that it is possible to directly experience Him and I had glimpses of that myself:
Interestingly, one of those glimpses occurred while I was contemplating set theory. When I came out of this experience, I exclaimed to myself: "Wow, I proved that there is God!", however as much as I tried to reconstruct that "proof", I was unable to, because it was in fact a direct experience rather than a rational process. What happened was that due to a combination of my intense concentration on the infinities of set theory, and by the grace of God, my mind was temporarily suspended allowing this direct experience to happen. There was no way to wilfully repeat this experience with the mind intact.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 12:45:53 PM
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Thanks Yuyutso & Banjo, I was expecting an avalanche of replies on my "the prize (life)" I was imagining the religious to be on to that one, as to them I am created by a super being , not as a prize, in writing I use expressions like this, but I was wrong and must have been accepted as a prize as is in a race, we all are lucky to get the prize when you really think about it, great swimmers. Have a great day, for who knows when the prize will be extinguished for ever.
Posted by Ojnab, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 1:08:33 PM
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Dear Ojnab,

Human birth is indeed a big and rare prize, also a big responsibility - so please make the maximum of it.

According to Buddhism, there are 6 worlds to which our soul migrates (http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/tp/Six-Realms-of-Existence.htm):

"The Human Realm is the only realm of the six from which beings may escape samsara. Enlightenment is at hand in the Human Realm, yet only a few open their eyes and see it. Rebirth into the Human Realm is conditioned by passion, doubt and desire."

One may perhaps be waiting for trillions of years, being tossed back and forth between heavens and hells before gaining this prize. USE IT WISELY!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 1:33:37 PM
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A Comparison Between Quantum Physics and
A Course in Miracles
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=SET+THEORY+ACIM
by Lorraine Marie Coburn
Quantum physics is confusing, confounding, and convoluted. It indicates that our universe is upside down, and
what we think we see is not reality.

In fact, physicists are having a hard time determining what reality really is. At..the subatomic level, particles can be in two places at one time, can pop in and out of existence, can be created out of
nothing, and can communicate faster than the speed of light, as if they are reading each others' minds.

Pioneer physicist Neils Bohr said, "Anyone not shocked by quantum mechanics has not understood it." Likewise,students of A Course in Miracles are known for throwing their Course books across the room and swearing about its//seemingly ridiculous message.

ACIM and physics tend to agree that the nature of physical reality is deceiving...However, they tend to diverge on the ultimate nature of reality, because A Course in Miracles states that physical
forms do not even exist and have never existed.

In the meantime, many physicists are still searching for a grand
unified theory that will explain how the universe works.

Leading physicists differ widely in their interpretations of quantum reality and new discoveries are being made..constantly. A Course in Miracles is also subject to interpretation, therefore, so are the ideas in this article.

According to the Course, Heaven
is changeless, formless, eternal love.
Nothing but God/Love exists and there is..no physical universe, no bodies, no planets, no form. I

t is pure non-duality, oneness with no opposite. However, we
perceive that we live in bodies on planet earth, so ACIM speaks to us as if those are real, while telling us that..ultimately they are not.

On earth there is duality,
apparent choices to be made among opposites.
Separation is the..rule-separate bodies, separate nations, separate time periods, etc.

Heaven is outside of time and space, and,
according to ACIM, time and space do not even exist,
because "Reality is ultimately known..without a form,..[unpictured and unseen.]" (T-27.III.5:2)
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Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 2:08:56 PM
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Yuyutsu,

To insist that God cannot be defined in positive terms is also to imply that God is limited in some way.

<<It is not possible to define God in any positive terms, because any such attempt would imply that God were somehow limited.>>

Furthermore, this means that that which CAN be defined in positive terms is superior to God in some way; just as anything that exists, and things that are things, are all superior to your God in some ways.

The only way around this is to claim that God can be both ‘defined in positives terms’ and ‘not defined in positive terms’; that He can be both existent and non-existent at the same; that He is both yet neither, all at once. But I’m sure I don’t have to explain the problems with that to you.

I know you believe that there is nothing but God, but that means that God is everything and, according to you, God is not a thing; so He certainly can't be everything if He's not a thing, because everything is a totality and a totality is a thing. Moreover, by claiming that there is nothing but God, you are limiting Him to everything. What about the nothingness - the sheer absence - that doesn't exist outside of God? Is it not superior to God in some way?

As for your divine experience, I’m intrigued as to how you ruled out a rational explanation for it, and how you still concluded that it was a divine experience despite the fact that eliminating all rational explanations still doesn’t support a divine one.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 2:51:19 PM
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A post from one under god in complete sentences and with no shouting ?
Posted by Candide, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 3:41:38 PM
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