BJ/QUOTE..<<..who place their..hope and trust in him for whatever reason.>>

OK AS I WAS WRITING THE Previous comment
i was feeling a great 'joy'..[is too bigger word/but say the opposite..of your chosen word/horror

if you only measure..'the HORROR'..[of course logic indicates a bias in your modeling..[A POINT GEORGE TOUCHES ON]..YOU CANT SIMPLY Sum up the horrors/Without too factoring in the gOOD..[THAts as good as i can put it..[you only ADDED UP/the sum of negative numbers[ignoring completely the good/whole numbers..dun..in hiS NAME..TOO

<<>For many,..the need for a buoy..to stay afloat..is probably a powerful incentive.>>..most certainly..YET..[ON THE FLIP-SIDE]
for others..ONCE THEY THEMSELVES..FOUND THE MEans..to float..above the flotsam..THEY MAY*/DECIDE TO help..buoy-u.. 'OTHER'..

AND SO..WE RETURN/BACK TO..THE FLAWED MODELING.
to have subsumed the outliers..ONTO CENTER STAGE
SELF DECEIVED..CAUSE YOU BELIEVED..WORD-FORMS..of THOSE THEM-SELVES Deceived..[thus..self-deceived]

yet one day..you will..SUDDENLY..see thaT
YOUR SURROUNDED..BY THE LIGHT/love/logic/thus the grace/mercy.

[SEE..in your/minds-eye..AN AURA]..
see/THE LIGHT..YOUR SEEING..COMES FROM WITHIN..
FROM/THERE..IT//cN EMEREGE..FROM/WITHIN..INTO THE EXTERNAL

or not

DENOTE/NOTE..god is..'found'..WITHIN..from external..into..the internal..but one day..you just see the inner liGHT..AND SEE ITS NOT OF YOU..THE QUESTION THEN arises..if not me..then who

IMAGINE..NOW..THAT..inner/knowing-light..[IF YOU Will]
whats the next..thing you do..once you see all around/YOU..IS THE LIGHT..[ENERGY CHANGING STATE]..?

ya sees him..here
ya sees..hiM..THERE..that durn/loki..OF THE HEART..IS EVERYWHERE.[ANYWHERE LIFE 'IS'.]Is the living/loving logical..reality..living aanywhere/EVERYWHERE..

liGHT=ENERGY..MASS=ENERGY..GOD=ENERGY..GOOD=ENERGY/
/HATE IS Wasted energy/..but still energy changing state
darkness..is simply absence..of REVEALED-energy..
[light reveals that hidden/concealed energy/
mass=congealed[entangled]....ENERGY..MASS]

god is ..revealed..in/that change...of state
EVEN..IF ITS ONLY A CHANGE OF OUR State..of mind

HE..IS LIGHT..SUSTAINING LIFE BY logic..into love.
IF ITS LIVING..HE WILLS ONLY TO LOVE IT...IF ITS ENERGY..HIS LIGHT WILL REVEAL IT...[NEVER CONCEAL/IT]..

MORE/UTTERANCES..FROM BEYOND..THE GRAVE
http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf
[THAT DUN..IN THE GRAVE..STAYS IN THE GRAVE
HE gAVE BETTER..THAN THE grave..we are saved..LETS RAVE..SAVE.

[i]..have hinted on several occasions..that
the mode.of communication here..is not confined..to the utterance..of words.

One/never needs..to express in words..any-one’s feeling for another. It is..always apparent..in the immediate reaction..of one’s sOUL/body
and..cannot fail to be read correctly.

Where there is affection..JPY..and trust..there
will be an..out-flowing of warmth..and light;

where there is polite indifference..as/LIKE..when one meets a stranger..the auric colour..will continue steady..and unaffected by the..encounter;..PLEASE/NOTE.dislike or contempt cannot be hidden; they will flow out..in waves/WINDS..Vibrations of disharmony..of confused..and muddy colour..its most pleasant..either to see..or to feel..upon one’s sensitive SOUL/body.

So the immediate feeling..will always
be fully apparent..and will need..no words.

The transmission of meaning..involves not..the emotional ASTRAL-body alone but the as-yet..imperfectly formed spiritual..LIGHT-body.

Where there is affinity of spirit..and closeness of emotional regard meaning..is often carried between friends without the/.clumsy intervention of words.

It..[ONCE THOUGHT/FELT..]..‘jumps the gap’.and is immediately and fully apprehended..as it could never be..[IE IN FULL TRUE CORRECT/CONTEXT]..THAN/if it had..to be trimmed to fit..a pattern of words.

Words are most useful..in everyday..and trivial matters and they continue..to be used..[whenever necessary.]..Our..independence of language..is only partial...but it is enough to make us realise the artificiality..of language barriers...[or rather univeriality..of our sane-mind]..

When..you can see..the..TRUE/feelings of a man
of different race..far more clearly than you can see..his ‘colour’ and you know..from this..alone..that he is friendly..and interested; GOOD INTENTION..OR ILL..that..when you can also exchange.enough meaning..to prove the kinship..of your minds then/the obstacle of language is defeated..and the fatal misunderstandings due to ineffectual exchanges..in words are avoided.[think..of it as negating..the tower.of babbling ON AND ON

ANON

I am ashamed now..to remember that on earth..I had great difficulty in my relationships..with men whom I then regarded as/inferior...I cultivated..an attitude of fastidiousness..OF SELF..which allowed me to regard them..COLLECTIVELY/Reflexively..as less than human.

One of my..most fixated..[ingrained],problems here
has been to correct..just,..this..clearly visual..attitude..REFLECTING SO CLEARLY FROM MY VERY SOUL.*

AHHH MEN..ALL WAS REVEALED
NOTHING SAID..THAT WAS NOT FOREKNOWN..THIS I NOW/OWn.
http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf

George,
My response above must be disappointing, but then I wasn’t going to insult your intelligence with a few throwaway lines on a subject you’re well abreast of. I’ve just read the article you linked to and am only sorry I didn’t come across it at the time. It does seem we’re on the same page. I would add to your three enigmas the simple case of consciousness as a qualitative phenomenon that’s commonly elided by reductionists. According to philosophers of mind I’ve read, both the “intentional” state of consciousness and the experience of qualia indicate “irreducibly mentalistic properties”. Apropos intentionality, there is a higher agency to consciousness which discriminates comprehensively between mere sensual register and attribution, such that the thing—a cat, say: a female, ginger moggy with a dire plaintiff meow; I recognise all this and more against the backdrop of myriad knowledge of and disposition towards cats, which I easily distinguish from everything else I know—is cast against both an abstract and experiential relief, beyond anything reducible to sensual register or cultural aporia. Similarly, the capacity to discriminate qualitatively goes far beyond the brute mechanics of taste buds, sensations of pain etc., though such is commonly elided in favour of identity theory/functionalist simplifications. It’s the very incapacity to conceive of other possibilities, of alternative or meta-physics, that informs and spuriously bolsters the doctrine of materialism as putatively unproblematic. “It is the lack of an analysis of qualia in terms that would make it a suitable explanandum of a causal/physical explanation that is crucial, and not the lack of an explanation itself” (Stephen White). Thus the same discriminatory powers that make us savants can also militate against further developing that prowess—when we’re too quick assigning meaning to the usual causes.
In short, I’m not convinced we do model reality, or at least that it’s that simple; I suspect our model is a prism (to use your word) which we can, however, look through cannily.

Anyway, we’re well away from funerals so I’ll desist. I do hope you’ll write more articles, and that I don’t miss them.

Squeers,

Your responses are for me never disappointing. You provide insights that are needed to complement my views from a natural science perspective (some would say bias).

For instance, in the first paragraph of my last post the “Therefore …” does not make much sense unless one precedes it with the sentence “On the other hand, philosophy cannot indulge in navel-gazing, ignoring developments in science” that I somehow lost while copying.

Thanks for the very interesting part about consciousness from the philosophy of mind perspective. I think these things must be taken parallel with approaches from quantum physics (e.g. the Penrose-Hameroff approach) or biology (e.g. cognitive biology that I know nothing about).

Consciousness is certainly an enigma or mystery for BOTH science and philosophy. I think it is related to the other mystery, free will. As I put it in the other article http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15257 :

Whatever science might conclude about the “nature” of free will, there are reasons beyond science (ethics, jurisdiction) that compel some of us - not only theists - to believe in the reality of free will, and hence find a suitable interpretation of these findings that is compatible with this a priori belief. Similarly, whatever evolutionary psychology and neuroscience (or Penrose’s “quantum coherent states with objective reduction”) might say about the nature of consciousness, there may be reasons to seek an interpretation of them that does not exclude the possibility of consciousness being more than what science can say about it.

I agree that we got far away from funerals and so thank you again for your interesting feedbacks.

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Dear One Under God,

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Thank you for your detailed analysis of my post to Squeers.
You have come up with some valuable arguments, the principal of which I recognize as the difficulty of the method I employed in determining if there is a God or not.

You wrote:

[ <<..It also became crystal clear..>>TO BANJO..as he examined oithers records of their PERCEPTIONS..LOL..IN BOOKS..[THE living good/GOD..IS NOT IN ANY BOOK/..HE DONT WRITE BOOKS..NOR CAN HE..*be found in dead words/picture/scroll nor TABLET.

LIGHT INNER-MIND/LOGIC..[MIND- the living good..CAN ONLY BE FOUND*..IN THE LIVING..ENERGIES..SUCH AS LIFE SIGHT]..LOVE..art/grace/mercy..service/peace..etc ]

As you rightly point out, there is no written trace or image of god. And even under your pen, it is “the living good” (not god) which “can only be found in the living …”.

I found no trace of god anywhere. What I did find was trace of man’s concept of god, and that was a continuum practically since the first apparition of mankind up until the present day. This was revealed by my research of the peer-reviewed findings of reputable palaeontologists, archaeologists, anthropologists and historians which provide a credible reconstitution of the religious beliefs and practices of our ancestors ever since the advent of mankind to the present day.

Though that evolutionary period spanned several million years, there is amazingly little difference in the basic concept of the gods of the primeval animist religions (of which trace can still be found in many religions which continue to be practised today) and that of the god of the major monotheistic religions.

One of the main differences is that while animists believe everything to be spiritual in nature, the monotheists decided to separate their god from nature, creating the so-called “supernatural”.

Hence that enigmatic duality: god above one and One Under God.

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banjo..my present/thoughts..are led by consciousness/SIMPLE AWARENESS IF YOU WILL..I FEEL..THAT I KNOW..ONLY BECAUSE I HAve the feeling.by the same way you get feeling..[i can see it/clearly..in my mind].yet NOW NEED TO FRAME IT INTO Words.

see how if YOU CREATE..A SIMPLE CIRCUIT..YOU NEED An ENERGY/source
and a switch..to regulate..THE POWER ON/OFF..PLUS A LOAD LIKE SAY AN lIGHT Bulb..[NOW WHICH ARE YOU/THE battery/the switch..or the light]

[YOUR THE SWITCH..you can only turn off or on..when your on
your conscious/aware/in the zone..YOU FLIP THE SWITCH..AND GODS ENERGY Flows to the fruit/action[deed WORK]

IF God wasnt there..THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A Switch..to turn.the energy/off or on..or modulate regulate THE ENERGY IN FLUX..[IN REALITY..THE Switch AND THE LIGHT..OR EVEN A BATTERY RETAINING THE CHARGE..are all mass..[ie energy]..[e=MC2]

goD IS THE WAY...and..MEANS OF ENERGY CHANGING STATE
NO GOD..NO NUTHIN..[OR SEEMINGLY NUTHIN]..the big bang..must OF COURSE BE A HUGE BLACKHOLE..THAT VIA OSMOSIS..BRINGS Energy..into..or out of one realm..into tHE OTHER

THINK OF THE BIG BANG AS WATER GOING INTO AN Unseen pool
as the pool fills..THE POOL SHAPE IS REVEALED..now see that god is the water/filling up many/infinite living pools..US..BUT NOt just space filling..BUT ANIMATING US.

I WAS A BIT HARSH..on the texts..AS THEY POINTED TO..the living embodiments [fruits IF YOU WILL]..of godNESS[E]..AND INDEED ITS EASIER FOR ANY TO READ..THE REVEALING/..OF/THE TEXTS..[yet every second of interacting with any life..is revealing..of the life ENERGY SUSTAINING..THEIR VERY BEING..AND AWARENESS OF BEING]..WE..MAKE/THE VIBE..OF THE WORDS LIVe...[reverberate..in our minds]..

THINK LIKE..PINGING A Laser..off the moon
except/we..UNLIKE..THE LASER/REFRACTING Mirror..MAY SHARE..IN THE MESSAGES..WITHIN THE..LASER/LIGHT-FLOW..

[THATS WHERE..'OTHER'..is so important/Affirmations]
[as jesus saID..WHEREVER TWO OR MORE ARE GATHERED..IN MY NAME..THERE Am i...BEING WHATEVER I AM IS SUSTAINING TO BE...simply by knowing the best of life/living..nature..we can find gods good nurture...Reflecting back..at me]

IT IS..as it must be
us/aLL..revealing/the TRUTH..LOGICALLY.