>>I find a lot of these OLO stupid, … so please do not and I repeat do not go on with all the crap that is being written on here<<

That is an interesting insight into your thinking, although what is or is not “crap”, i.e. whether things you do not understand should or should not be posted here, is for Graham to decide, not us.

And so the conversation goes round and round in circles, it will for ever and ever, none of us know if a God exists or not, and never will, it is all in the grey matter in our head and what we want to believe or not believe, the grey matter in my head says that after death I will be nothing, just reduced to ashes ,that being the end of the sperm and egg that created me, and just being lucky I was a good swimmer, without that I would not be here and died with all the other sperm that never made it.,I do not believe I was helped to get the prize (life) at that final moment

Dear Ojnab,

<<none of us know if a God exists or not, and never will>>

I think that question was already settled - God doesn't exist.

(if He existed, then He could create a rock so heavy that even He couldn't lift, but if He did so, then He wouldn't be able to lift that rock, which would mean that He is limited, thus not God, hence He cannot create such a rock, producing a logical conflict, hence the initial assumption as if He existed, was false)

Had God existed, then you would only want Him for the worldly gain you could get out of Him. You might pray to Him and worship Him, but only in order to get some silly heaven, health, wealth, long life or 72 virgins... that's barter, not love!

But once you understand the He doesn't exist, only then you can begin to love Him truly, humbly and unconditionally without expecting a reward.

It is up to you and to each one of us whether we serve existence or whether we serve God - we cannot serve two masters at once.

<<I was a good swimmer, without that I would not be here and died with all the other sperm that never made it>>

An interesting macho attitude: you consider yourself to be the sperm, but not the ovum, even though the ovum is much bigger!

It tells that you never gave serious consideration to the question "Who am I?".

<<the grey matter in my head says that after death I will be nothing, just reduced to ashes>>

That should not be a surprise if you consider what controls the grey matter in your head: it is your genes, which have perfected themselves over a billion years or so to survive and reproduce. What else would they possibly tell you? What fantastic claims and lies wouldn't they make in order to scare and convince you to keep them alive and multiplying?

Yuyutsu,

The concept of an omnipotent God creating a rock He cannot lift is a self-referential paradox of which philosophy knows many, for instance Bertrand Russell’s, the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. Nevertheless, we do not dismiss the concept of set on which all of mathematics is built.

Dear George,

Certainly, we don't discard the concept of set, nor forget about God: we just conclude that there is no such particular set which contains exactly those sets that are not members of themselves (in other words, that that which contains exactly those sets that are not members of themselves, though highly intuitive, is not a set in the way defined by the axioms of set-theory) and in the same way also conclude that God is not an object.

Any object exists (even if only within somebody's mind) and anything that exists is limited (if nothing else, by the fact that it cannot un-exist) - God is not limited, hence God is not an object.

In no way does this mean that we should stop loving and worshipping God - on the contrary: this understanding allows for a purer and intimate relationship with God that is not based on a primitive give-and-take bargain or otherwise rely on anything worldly. After all, worship of objects is idolatry!

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Dear Runner,
 
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Thank you for your opinion which is a pretty good photographic negative of my own findings – or should I put it the other way round ? Whichever way you look at it, where you see light, I see darkness and where you see darkness, I see light.

Perhaps it was the light you see which had been blocking my vision all these years. For better or for worse, I now see things in a different light.

You add: “ You still can’t find teachings any more profound or practical as that of the Lord Jesus Christ”.

I tend to agree with you, Runner, though much of our present day knowledge has been handed down to us from a number of other great minds - perhaps, individually, not quite as “profound or practical” as Jesus. Nevertheless, all have merit, despite the fact that they were all, indisputably, far more modest than he who claimed (perhaps, metaphorically) to be "the son of God" .
 
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