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The awful funeral : Comments
By Peter Sellick, published 14/3/2014We now attend funerals in which a number of speakers are let loose on the congregation tolling the virtues of the deceased, often blubbering into the microphone as they read scripts spat out by computer printers.
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Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 5:50:14 PM
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Dear AJ Philips,
<<I, on the other hand, can be positively defined>> I beg to differ. <<This is cheating. You can’t speak of something as though it exists>> Well, God is not something, but I still could! I may be wrong, but I can still do so out of habit and the weakness of my mind. Please forgive me as that would be my own limitation, or as you kindly pointed, the limitation of language. My weakness, however doesn't suddenly cause God to become existent. Those who believe that God exists, think of Him as something limited, normally a being, perhaps some father-figure above the clouds, a creator of universes, something along those lines - while the possibility of such a being theoretically exists, that would be just part of material science, so is of no interest to me and certainly not worthy of worship and devotion. (there are also others, as George mentioned, who believe that God is a figment of one's mind or a mental delusion, but that would be even less interesting, for unlike the former, they don't even believe that this figment of one's mind created and controls this universe...) I do hope that you agree with me that God doesn't exist, for otherwise you would be referring to something/someone else ("else" for my lack of language), in which case something/someone that I wouldn't like to waste my time on. It is unfortunate that the direct experience of God cannot be conveyed in any way (otherwise it would not be direct!). Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 7:19:40 PM
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I thought the writer was referring to " The Awful Funeral" seems as though the funeral is now dead & buried somewhere, the existence or non existence of a God has now taken over the storyline so we have said goodbye to the deceased and now must go home and forget all about that damned "Awful Funeral" and get on with life and hope we are not next in that "Awful Box".
Posted by Ojnab, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 8:29:10 PM
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Dear One Under God, . I am deeply honoured to see that you have accepted my proposition. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16112#280155 I could not imagine a more able successor. . Dear Yuyutsu, . First you reassured me by acknowledging that: “Banjo is limited - he can't fly and if he continuously crossed streets without looking, then he would at very high probability be run over by a car”. But then you wrote: “You, however, cannot be run over by a car, because all cars are nothing but Yourself … you are God”. Well, I have done all I could for you, my friend. Take care ! . Dear AJ Philips, . I commiserate with you. I find Yuyutsu’s expression just as confused and contradictory as you do. However, I take comfort in the fact that he is a moving target. Hopefully, that will keep him out of danger. As he indicates that George is the only person who understands him, if need be, we can always ask George to translate. . Dear Fozy, . Thank you for reminding me of Durkheim’s interpretation of the role of religion. He coined two important terms: sociology and altruism. He saw altruism as a new religion which would eventually replace Catholicism. . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 19 March 2014 8:59:59 PM
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Banjo Paterson,
Thanks for further insights into your cultural identity. You seem to be “multiethnic”, the same as I, although with different "ingredients". As I understand it “godless Christian” is more or less the same as what Dawkins calls “cultural Christian”, i.e. a person who grew up in a Christian cultural and family environment without acquiring the faith that comes with it (or having lost it). [I think imagination (the faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the senses) and mysticism (spiritual apprehension of knowledge inaccessible to the intellect including imagination, attained through contemplation and self-surrender) are two very different activities of the human brain; everybody is capable of the former, very few of the latter. ] As for Durkheim’s sociological definition of religion, we already had a discussion on this here a couple of times (se e.g. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4898#130804 ). Anyhow, I think Ojnab is right that this thread has been derailed. Posted by George, Thursday, 20 March 2014 12:12:11 AM
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Blinder's..IN/THE MATTERS..OF SPIRIT-MATTERS GEORGE
THOSE DENYING..THE DEAD LIVE ON..dont like knowing their wrong ITS the spirit..of the matter..THAT REALLY MATTERS LET/the dead..tend..the dead..ISN'T..THE blindED/mortal mindset..leading the blind..EVER/EVEN FURTHER AWAY..FROM GOD. bJ/QUOTE..<<.But..I am no longer..in your world,>> YOUR MISSING/The big point..ITS NOT YOU/..ITS NOT ME..[ALONE]..WHO ACT AS Scribe..for the departed hand..but/TOO..the far/from departed mind their words created..awareness....of the..<<..the world of stockmen and..drovers,>>..PUT INTO OUR MINDS..the deeds..of..<<>>of sheep and cattle..and horses..and the outback.>> just as once..gods hand has created us we of the creators hand..just go on and on..though not..just..simplY..within the simple bounds..of poem..or song <<..I think of..all those ballads..I can no longer write..*>> directly..INTO THE AWARENESS..OF THE MATERIAL REALM..by mine own hand..<<*..and...turn to you,..Dear One Under God.*>>>..TO Write it for me..so that..our PARTS..IN THESE SCRIBBLINGS..IS QUITE CLEAR <<...I have read/your verse..>>..just to bE..MORE THAN CLEAR HERE /THE spirit..has read..THE VERSE..AS ITS IMAGERY..[REPLY]..WAS SENT DOWN..TO YOU TO SAY..<<..and I>>..By/the hand/OF THE CHANNELED SPIRIT..in that spirit..SAy..*<<..like your style.>> BUT OFTEN..THE Voices..within-us deceive US/BY VANITY..AND FLATTERY JUST CAUSE ONE*..CAN CLAIM/TO BE ME..THE TRUE ME..IS Knowable..ony in the import..of the word con-TEXTs one of..the deceived..is not..to be believed..[by one who knows..the words commeth not..of me/thee]..please see...what i see/ when the true banjo..moves my HAND..HE DOTH NOT NEED Thank me..when its..an inversion..OF THE..perception..of REALITY THUS..WHEN I SEE<<..I would be deeply honoured..if you would take up my pen..and continue ..where I left off.>> i see..but the FLATTERY OF LIPS/..TEMPTING ONLY THOSE DECEIVED..OF THE WORDS..TRUE ethereal-Spirit creator/but\..do seE A TRUISM..within mis perception..and/the reassuring ONE. <<>>Have no fear.>>..LET NO FEAR NEAR. AND ITS PROMISE..<<..I shall accompany you..in your endeavour.>> thats more..ADDRESSING..OF HIM TO YOU..than..of He..to thee than me <<>.I know..you can do it...Don’t look now. I am standing..close to you.......looking over/your shoulder>> there see/..THE Flattering..TEMPTATIONS..OF A WILL/OH THE WISP..be know..THAT the eye..he can see by..whilst moving the hand..is the SERVILE same eye..OF SERVICE..as the hand. but..thats ok banjo..i know..AND UNDERSTAND.. and/right..that..there..thats the key..when your at the funeral/KEEP OUT AN EYE..for such like me/..thee..AND HE...most of mans..greater services,..are unto other...TO..[those..grieving/errantLY]..NO LONGER..JUST..the/LEFT BEHIND...[maybE..OUT-OF..SIGHT..BUT..NOT-OUT..OF MIND.. BE KIND* Posted by one under god, Thursday, 20 March 2014 11:31:53 AM
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THAT IS..WHAT HAPPENS WHEN..WE CHASE..[EVEN]..GOD away..become..yet again..mere beast*
maybe..yOU GOT THE WRONG NAME..try meTA-COGNIZATION
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition
Metacognition is defined as.."cognition about cognition", or "knowing about knowing"...It comes from..the root word "meta", meaning behind.[1]..every/logical knowing.[logus][cognition]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognition
Cognition..is the process..[floW]..by which..the *sensory input* is transformed,..reduced,..elaborated,.stored,/recovered,..APPLIED/and used.[1]
This higher-level..*cognition..was given the label metacognition by American developmental psychologist John Flavell..(1976).The term metacognition literally..means cognition about cognition,..[i am/that..i am]..or more informally,..thinking/IN PERSONUM..about GENERALIZED/thinking.
Flavell defined metacognition..as,,applied/knowledge..about cognition and..control of cognition...For example,..I am engaging in metacognition..if I notice*..that I am having more trouble learning A than B;..[or]..if it strikes me*[IN-SPIRES]..that I should double check C..before accepting it as fact.|J. H. Flavell (1976, p. 232).
A. Demetriou,..in his theory,..one of the neo-Piagetian theories of cognitive development,..used the term hypercognition..to refer to self-monitoring,..*self-representation,..*and self-regulation processes,..which are regarded as integral components..of the human mind.[6]
Moreover, with his colleagues,..he showed that these processes participate in general intelligence, together with processing efficiency and reasoning,..which have traditionally been considered to compose fluid intelligence.[7]
Metacognition..also INCLUdes..herd/group/thinks..about one's own Enjoined..[as one/INTENTION]..Ego-thinking process such as study skills,..memory cap..bilities,..and the ability to monitor learning. This concept needs to be explicitly taught along with content instruction.
Metacognitive *knowledge..is about our own cognitive processes*..and our applied/understanding*..of how to regulate..those processes to maximize learning.
Some types of metacognitive..knowledge would include:..1.Personal knowledge...(declarative knowledge) which is understanding one's own capabilities. 2...Task knowledge..(procedural knowledge) which is how one perceives..the difficulty[COMPLEXITIES]..of a task..which is the content,length,..and the type of assignment.
3...Strategic knowledge..(conditional knowledge) which is one's own capability for using strategies to learn information...Young children are not particularly good at this;..it is not until upper elementary where students start to develop..the understanding of strategies that will be effective.
Different fields define..metacognition very differently. Metacognition variously..refers to the study of memory-monitoring and self-regulation,..meta-reasoning,..consciousness/awareness and auto-consciousness/self-awareness.
In practice these capacities..are used to regulate one's own cognition, to maximize..one's potential to think,learn and to the evaluation of proper ethical/moral rules...