I LIKED IT..only in hindsight noting the sufferance/as an issue to do with enduring injurious PAIN..OFTEN NEEDLESSLY... god is not PLEASED WITH BLOOD SACRIFICE PAIN ETC..GOD NEEDS NO MODULATOR BETWEEN him and his creation..[god as separate of the holy spirit]..yet god and the hoy SPIRIT..IS LIKE JESUS AND GOD..TO SEE ONE IS TO SEE THE OTHER

ITS THE OTHER/External of the self..that the inner holy sporit sustains to live and god sustains THE MEANS..LIGHT SUSTAINING LIFE/ONCE WE CLEARLY SEE..good in everyone..WE ARE THERE

THAT DON'T MEAN IT MEAns a lot but a lot of suffering to get THERE IF YOUR SEIkE MUSLIM HINDI OR XTIAN..and other bORN IN Sufferance..like jews/flagILATORS INQUISITORS ETC..AND WEAK WILLED ATHEISTS..[WHAT IS SALT THAT HAS LOST ITS PASSION ?

ANYHOW IM WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH I AGREED INITIALLY/automatically with the SUFFERING//[silent suffering OF COURSE/Private self flagellation as if were being punished/or punishing OUR SELF..FOR WHAT?

it must be the AUTOMATIC SELF FULFILLMENT..BY SELF DEBASEMENT/DEFILEMENT..of external SADISTIC DEMONIC Sufferance side of me..echoing within..[the human eGo/APE BEAST SIDE INSIDE OF ME..AND OF COURSE THE PORK ON me fork...THAT Reads what is writteN AND GOES SNORK..[peal before swine/are whINE DUllEst the brightest gem]

its all pretty impressive writing..really..[ok not talking of dead
mor of us all being born again/long before the ritual[many days too late/the spirit needs guidance BEFORE CROSSING OVER/OR soon after..thats when our thoughts can hELP THEM

NOt all head for the light..many emereGE THE DARKness..in due time
but first need redeem other..so selfishness CAN Get you into hell/just as SELFLESSNESS CAN HELP YOU GET OUT..[ONLY BY HELPING other].

WE FALL INTO HELL ALONE..WE ONLY rISE UP..OUT OF IT WITH OTHER.

Dear Jon,

Pain is not required - only the preparedness to endure it if required.

All suffering is ultimately caused by selfishness, so getting rid of selfishness is not a question of virtue or a badge to collect, but of whether or not you want to continue suffering. Physical pain may still occur in the course of nature, but without selfishness it is not experienced as suffering.

Churches? Why should they have any privilege to tell who is Christian and who isn't? Besides, why would it matter whether one CALLS themselves a Christian or not - surely what matters more is whether they ARE Christian or not!

Yes, Christianity involves belief as one of its religious techniques. Belief does help some people, but is not really a requirement for becoming a Christian.

Muslims? Some of them, especially Sufis, do aspire for unselfishness. The others, I wouldn't bother calling "Muslims", because Islam comes from the word "Salaam" = peace. The pursuit of unselfishness and the pursuit of peace are none but climbing the same mountain from two directions. Only those who reach the top, who lose all selfishness, attain peace and only those who attain peace lose their selfishness. It's ultimately the same.

You are not likely to sacrifice your happiness for the sake of others until you realise that they are not others - that since you are God and they are God, you are in fact the same!

A world where nobody suffers is like a school without lessons: why would such a world be needed in the first place?

Dear Squeers,

I was not writing the above for you.

Blessed are you...Yusutsu...You see the journey's end clearly...and if you can...if you may elaborate for all the reciprocal relationship between suffering unselfishness and result called peace...
sam
Squeezers this's for you...please, try unselfishness or your interpretation of it, without having any expectation and refusing any gratitude but simply as your duty arising from fact that you exist...for a week... If that works for you the let your curiosity run for a month...a year and who knows eh

"It is a time in which the gospel is to be preached directly into the reality of death"

Whilst I doubt that the gospel Sels refers to is the same as the one I've too often heard preached on such occasions the title "The awful funeral" fits so well for the vile act of using the death of a loved one as an opportunity to preach a christian gospel to a largely captive audience while some are in a very vulnerable state.

Not even sure if the term awful goes far enough to describe it.

R0bert

Thanks Sam, I'm sure that's very deep..
In fact I don't get it..
..Which makes it all the more meaningful!

Jon J,

>>by what right do you call yourselves 'Christians’?<<

By the same right a 21st century mathematician, physicist, biologist etc calls himself/herself a mathematician, physicist, biologist etc although his/her understanding of mathematics, physics, biology etc is quite different from that of the correspondingly named specialist in, say, the 17th century, or a non-specialist - even scientifically uneducated - contemporary.

Anyhow, which authority, grants these rights to call oneself this or that? I do not care whether people who have very little understanding of mathematics grant me the right or not to call myself a mathematician. The same with Christian.

>>you say 'God' when you mean 'physics', and 'Heaven' when you mean 'happiness’.<<

Imagine the reaction I would get here if a claimed that when an atheist says something, he/she actually means something entirely different!

Ridiculing other people’s worldviews might make you feel snug but hardly helps you to understand the object of your ridicule.