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The Forum > General Discussion > An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

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" humans can only be managed by brutality and force ":

Boaz,

I always knew you were anti-democratic and hated freedom but even for you that is such a silly thing to say. The only places in the world where the War Against Terrorism is working is where the Government is using the Carot and Stick approach, and we are losing in all the places where we primarily use military means. Brutality begets brutality and violence creates more violence. It's no wonder we are losing the war if people believe your absurd ideas. I still don't see any sign of your God blessing our war efforts in the Middle East. Maybe He doesn't like your violent approach to every problem either.
Posted by Peppy, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 9:21:56 AM
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Boazy: "the problem with the lack of control of the Opium is this 'quaint' idea of 'Human Rights'..."

I love it when our 'Christian Taliban' spokesman decries the notion of human rights. Most Christians I know are actively involved in promoting human rights, but our Brethren nutter places himself firmly in the same fascist camp as the Taliban, under whose rule the opium trade in Afghanistan was reduced to virtually nil.

I think that Boazy and the other Christian fundies who infest this forum have much more in common with the Taliban than they'd like to admit.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 10:36:03 AM
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Hi People against live
You asked questions, again you sent another post: "thanks for your reply"
please be patient. Still is less than 24 hours from your post's time. :) I'm very busy and I can't come on line few times a day.
Good questions, I try to answer soon, first I should answer Peppy and Boaz , your answer will be long, and if it exceedes more 350 words I make each one separately.

Hi Peppy I didn't expect you to welcome a new member in this forum like that. Australian culture is respetful and your behavior and judgment doesn't fit in that culture, so you might be from another nationality.
When Boaz says: " PEPPY..c'mon..you can do better than to just poke poo at people" , you say: " Yeah, but poking poo is so much fun." Then you changed the topic immediately to something which had nothong to do with this thread, maybe you felt guilty and you wanted to escape from yourself.
Peppy if you are searching for a forum to write for fun , you are in the wrong place. Here is a serious forum for debates, I found it a very valuable site.
I criticised BOAZ but he was the one who said Welcome to forum.
You also have welcomed me but with different words which suit your culture.
A question: were u upset of me because of saying that BOAZ is smart? He is really smart, althogh I have different views and ideas with him but I should admit the truth, he was the only person on this forum who picked the main point of the Sheikh Haron's letter.

Boaz
I appreciate for welcoming me although I,ve critisied you :)
Yes your guess is right, I am foreigner and Muslim :). But I like Australian culture and I try not to judge about Australian culture when I face people like Peppy.
You asked me question about START, I said you should work on it lol or you should ask the Sheikh :)
If I say , you might report to AFP lol kidding
Posted by ALJAZEERA_OZ, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 3:19:03 PM
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Hi People
You asked: " It was said Mohammad (peace upon him) believed there weremore woman in hell than men. Are you aware of his teaching?"
introduction:
1. All of Quran is a resource for Muslims without any doubt. Because it has not been touched, it has not been changed, we have only one unique copy , one unique version of Quran.
2. Saying and teaching of prophet is also a resource but not all of that, there is doubt for some of his sayings.
Other books or sayings has been changed during the time, so we can not account on them. We can account on Quran.
Prophet knew that after his death many people will make false sentence and claim they are his words, that's why he warned Muslims that by comparing Quran with those words they should try to recognise right ones. Any saying is against Quran , we deny it.
3. Another source for Muslim is Intelligence.

So when you hear any sentence about our prophet,don't account on that if you want to research and find out the thruth. You should first focus on Quran only.

Now we SUPPOSE prophet has said such a thing, if he really has said it I ask you to pay attention to following points: if this post exceedes 350 words I should write the rest later :)
1. Maybe he knew about the future and he has given information that number of women are more, that doesn't mean woman is less than man.
2. Maybe he meant that women are usually more amotional than men and maybe sometimes they follow the amotions more and sometimes forget about the spirituality.
3. maybe he meant : men are worse than women and some of men try to decieve women who are more amotional than men and have good and simple and kind heart, so this shows women are nicer :)
4. maybe he has not said such a thing. And what you have heard is from those false "sayings".
I edited post, exceeded 350 words. I wish we had more space.
Posted by ALJAZEERA_OZ, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 4:08:17 PM
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ALJAZEERA_OZ,

Some things you need to know:

1/ Aussies often "stir" or "take the piss" out of each other so it's not unusual to see us arguing ro abusing each other. It's part of the fun of living in a free society as opposed to a very polite one with no freedom of expression.

2/ Only 8% of Australians go to church and I think all of them are on this site. There's more religious nuts on this site than you can shake a Bible or Koran at. So the last thing I wanted to see was another one. Hence my lack of welcome.

3/ If you think Boaz is smart then it's clear we don't have much in common. You may think he is nice now but wait, he will turn on you shortly and he'll be very nasty. I thought he was a nice guy too when I first showed up until he showed his true colours.

4/ The 92% of us who don't go to church are sick of the other 8% constantly preaching, so don't expect any respect from me if you can't respect the fact that I choose to NOT be religious. You want to preach go the Mosque or Church.
Posted by Peppy, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 5:46:35 PM
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Banjo , Peppy
and People Against Live ....

you requested the whole letter, I have already sent link, did you read the whole? so what do u think?

what is your opinion? about:
Poisoning Injection Muslim
Posted by P_Dox, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 9:17:07 PM
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