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The Forum > General Discussion > An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

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AL JAZEERA

Thanks for your reply.

Leaders of "anything" are only as good as the head person and others supporting them.
To be honest I liked Dr Ali. I thought him wise and fair.

I would like to compliment his leadership and that him for being the FIRST leader of Any Religion to speak out about the unnessary cruelty of Animals in Live Exports From Australia.

Its certainly far more than our so called Christian leaders have ever done.
You may see Dr Ali`s Media Release here by scrolling to the bottom of this site.

Please take a minute to read some of this stuff I have linked you to.

http://www.livexports.com/

http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

I would like to discuss with you Halal meat- `of course` but I am interested in many other topics as well.

I am a proud Aussie and dont ever want anybody trying to change the culture of this country and I will say that right up front.

I understand that Islam does not seperate Laws and religion and quite frankly I see that as a problem.

Australia holds wonderful oportunities for Halal Products, Farms and Progects BUT it needs Strong Leaders with forsight not people following like sheep.

With all due respect to you if AQIS and little Jonnie Howard want to roll over for JAKIM WE "EXPECT" the Muslim Leaders of Australia to stand up and say NO.!

Be it JAKIM or Brunie Sultan -

If AFIC dont want to show some modern leadership and compassion for Gods Most Innocent- his creatures then they will have to get used to competition.
Pre stunning has LONG been excepted by most Muslim people.

Just because the Australian Government DONT have the common deceny to stand AFIC and you guys should!

Australia Free Green and disease free.
A land of oportunity.
BUT it requires proper leadership just like Anything else.

PS I can read your letter P Dox posted because its too small.

Could you post it please?

From what I saw your saying that his JH comments were not helpful?
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 27 August 2007 9:36:09 PM
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AlJazera..... I'm really not sure what to make of your posts.. they seem to be a mix of 'Islamist' and sarcasm.. not meaning to offend, but your point about "Letter"="Start" is quite important.

You would have said this in either.

a) A cynical or sarcastic way, realizing that my knowledge of Islamic history means I will immediately know what you are meaning there.
or.
b) You are serious, and you are explaining the way it unfolded in the past with Mohammad... i.e. he warned then attacked.

You'll have to help me out here, becuase as you can see from Peppy's enlightened remarks about 'religious nutter' there are a few question marks on your post.
You 'sound' foreign... even 'Arab' in your writing, so perhaps you can help us out on that issue as well ?

Welcome to OLO anyway.

PEPPY.. c'mon.. you can do better than to just poke poo at people.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 27 August 2007 9:36:27 PM
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Pale,
If it is correct that Labor and Libs agreed not to discuss Immigration issues in election campaigns then I do not think that is funny. I am outraged and think it dispicable that they should decide what issues the electors need to know about.

All aspects of immigration and population are important and should be open for discussion at any time. The reason given by the major parties for not discussing immigration at elections was that it was complicated and we (electors) may get wrong impression.

They don't think much of us do they?

I think the real reason is that they would be embarassed to reveal why they both have high immigration policy. Studies have shown that the main beneficaries of high immigration are big business and the migrants themselves. There is little or no benefit to Australians as a whole.

Neither of the major parties are prepared to come up with a population we should aim for, and put that up for discussion. No they prefer to treat us like mushrooms.
Posted by Banjo, Monday, 27 August 2007 11:10:50 PM
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Boaz,

Yeah, but poking poo is so much fun.

By the way the BBC is reporting that Afganistan has now overtaken Columbia as the world's producer of Opium and in fact broken the world record for the production of Opium. Another glorious success for our all conquering armies in the Middle East.
Posted by Peppy, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 12:32:13 AM
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Peppy... the problem with the lack of control of the Opium is this 'quaint' idea of 'Human Rights'...

Speaking purely on a 'human' level... there is only one way to deal with that situation.. and its very VERY harsh.... do I need to fill in the blanks ? :)

I don't know why we even bother to get involved in things which will NEVER be successful because just when we arrive at the point of near success.. we are hamstrung by naive and bleeding heart 'human rights'.

Can you imagine the absolute chaos which would be China today if they had not done the 'Tien an min square' thing ? We would have spoiled brat try hard students thinking they can run the place all at each others throats and bleeting about this,that or the other thing.

Unfortunately, on the 'we are alone, just us, no gods' level... humans can only be managed by brutality and force. Sad...but true.

That's why I always try to provide an 'alternative' approach :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 7:05:41 AM
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Banjo

Your right. They dont think much of us. Its time people got off their bums and started to take politics seriously Banjo.
Just as well this Costello law doesnt come under that umbrella then isnt it?
It comes under freedom of speech and our Animal Welfare Laws regardoing the Ritual Slaughter.
If the government THOUGHT this new law would quiten things down to save their sorry arses from further embassesing disclosures they as usual got it wrong.
Banjo note the new thread in news and current affairs regading Tassi.
Its BLATENT arrogance from the Government and it MUST be stopped.
This goes beyond Animal Welfare Banjo to the heart of our soceity.
Its time for an inderpendant Government and be RID of Howard and Labour.
BTW Do you have a copy of the agreement regarding not talking about imagration before an election?
Paulines looking better each day.
I mean even if you support high levels of migrants arriving each day you should have a voice.
What we need Banjo is a bunch of real Aussies to stand up against the bloody lot of them for US the Australian people.
I would do it for nothing- to save my country and have some concern and compassion. How say you?

Maybe we need another party.
I am serious.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 8:06:39 AM
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