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The Forum > General Discussion > An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

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People Against Live Export &

you said that you have already picked the best Muslim leader for this country.
May I ask who he is?

you said that you welcome to the new Mufti of Australia and you hope to be able to supprt him...

Can I ask whom you are talking about?
Posted by ALJAZEERA_OZ, Thursday, 30 August 2007 2:56:24 PM
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ALJAZEERA_OZ,

1/ Part of democracy is being allowed to disagree vehemently with others. If it's a polite gentlemanly discourse you are after may I suggest you try visiting North Korea. There you will find the people very polite and they never disagree or use harsh language with each other in public.

2/ Whether they attend church or not most Australians don't preach and try to shove their religion down the throats of others. It's the religious hypocrites who continually preach at others instead of looking at themselves that I was alluding to.

3/ You say: " I believe that much more than 8% of Australians are religious. They might be even the majority." Typically like many religious people you just invent data and twist and distort facts. You have no proof at all that over 8% of Australians are religious but even though you have no proof you make up figures and say they are the majority. It's calling lying.
Posted by Peppy, Thursday, 30 August 2007 10:44:12 PM
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PALEIF: " I think I have already picked the best Muslim leader for this country."

I don't suppose you have any idea how arrogant and patronising that statement is?

You really don't have a clue, so you?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 30 August 2007 10:58:23 PM
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Hey Peppy......

we all want to be liked :) but also, if 'not' liked we desire to know on what grounds so if we need to correct some ill behaviour we can.

Can you share with me what specific thing showed you I'm 'not nice' ?

I'm genuinely curious about this, because most if not all of what I say is directed at issues.. so I don't see how this is a testimonial to me not being a nice person.

I hope that you don't define 'niceness' as meaning "never speak out regarding things we are concerned for"

Fill me in old son...I'm all ears.

Those TRUE COLORS... thats what I'd like to know about.

Lets not forget 'smart' :) you dispute this also ? heyyyyyyy... well I have to agree on that... I don't consider myself 'smart' .. my education is quite lowly, and was mainly from the school of hard knocks and experience.

But....don't you think that suggesting people are 'not nice' and 'dumb' is kind of.....'not nice' in itself ? :)

NUMBERS OF PEOPLE GOING TO CHURCH. now.. the figures here might be quite correct. "Welcome to the freedom of Christianity" where people are not 'fined' for failure to attend Church.(as they are in some 'religions') Nope.. you can do what you jollywell like. If people don't care enough about their creator or fellowship with His people..its their free choice.. A word of caution though, Paul said "Don't use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh"
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 31 August 2007 10:36:02 AM
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Oz
Sure-
FYI
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/11/1947556.htm

Umm oz may I ask you a question please?
Are you living here?
Morgan
Just like evey other person in Australia I have the right to pick the person i favour to lead the Muslim Australian Citz.
I like this bloke. I think he will make a very fine fair leader with a good level head.
I think he has a sennse of justise and fainess and wants whats best for Australia.
So Yes I have chosen the leader in which I will look to for advise and trust and you are free to do likewise.
Has it EVER? occured to you Morgan that its the Government that have caused trouble with their lack of insight as to who how and when to bring people to Australia- From where.
Has? it ever occiured to you that Muslim leaders of Australia have to deal with working together from all other Muslims from all over the world?
Do you have any understanding ofjust how difficult that is?
I will jump up and down just as much as you if i even gret a sniff of "some" people wanting to change my country
Dont you worry about that.
However stop bagging Muslims just because they are Muslims and stop bagging me because i have had the priverledge to work with their leaders over the last few years.
Perhaps yourself and David might like to discuss KOSHER Sluaghter.
Thats the onewhere they skin them alive!
That DOESNT! happen in Halal.
Think about that before you cast stones please everbody.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 31 August 2007 10:59:11 AM
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David
I dont think your not nice. Just brain washed. I know you wont see it that way because you are programed not to.
Thats what brain washing is.
NOW-If you want to be a good Christian start the church of the doing good deeds!
Instead of building Churches meet in a park!
Put the plate money into fixing an old ladies roof or walking around
mowing lawns for the elderly.
Thats God work and I am sure he would be proud of you.
I dont See Anywhere in the bible where he said-
Dont Do anything just sit in a building and mumble my name while being blind to people and Gods Animals who need some practicle help
do you?
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 31 August 2007 11:10:09 AM
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