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The Forum > General Discussion > An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

An Open Letter To PM John Howard, From An Australian Muslim Cleric , Sheikh Haron !

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ALJAZEERA OZ

We should have said welcome also. I apologize and Welcome.

To answer your question-

Am I aware of his teachings? Yes and No.

I have done a lot of reading and mixed with many people of Muslim faith. I have a book I refer to written by Dr Robert Morey Executive Director of Research Education at the time.

Don’t worry about the question regarding why Mohamed said there were more woman in hell than men because it will take up too much room.

On a more serious note and I say this to Boaz all the time as well, why on earth do we all argue about who said what “ages’ ago.?

Boaz You “never” reply to me when I ask you this- Perhaps you would be polite enough to answer us this time?
If the Bible was written 70 80 years after his death and then in Greek, what makes you think it was translated without any mistakes as to what was said?
Back then as you know if somebody was disabled it was said they were possessed by the devil and demons.
The same thing was said of people if they were mentally ill. It was common that everybody said the devil had a hold of them. Also if we listened to the followings all our space ships would have hit a rock wall and the end of the world.

The Quran has similar examples.
My question to” both of you” is why can’t everybody just practice being nice and doing the right thing?


Its painfully clear that BOTH religions need to be in a position to be good teachers and the only way to do that is to come into the 2007 and onward.

It is critical both for born and bred Aussies and people arriving from overseas to start a new life here that we have ONE united wise Muslim leadership in Australia.

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Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 9:40:02 PM
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Peppy: "Only 8% of Australians go to church and I think all of them are on this site."

Too funny :D

More seriously, I add my welcome to ALJAZEERA_OZ - but I have to say that I agree with the substance of Peppy's post.

Fundamentalists of any persuasion can expect a robust reception in this forum, and that's as it should be. No belief or idea is immune from debate, criticism or satire - all of which occur here.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 8:51:13 AM
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P_Dox,

I found it very difficult to read the letter you posted but from what I could read I don't really see what the issue is. I never saw the TV show he refers to so I don't know if I agree with him or not, but I can't see a problem with someone writing to the PM about his concerns about how a TV show presented something. The PM gets thousdands of letters and emails every week about all sorts of things. The letter seemed repectful and polite and wasn't about government policy or really about Australians in general. It was mainly about one specific TV show and it's influence. What's the big deal? The PM will probably gets worse letters about nudity on TV.
Posted by Peppy, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 11:35:31 AM
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CJ Morgan
and
People against live

Thanks for "welcome" :)

Peppy you said that to be in a free society and adbusing each other is better than being very polite one with no freedom of expression.

Peppy you are wrong, both of those two are not right, the first one as you said is better than the second one but both are wrong. If we have to choose between bad and worse , then we should choose the bad one. But we don't have to choose between bad and worse in Australia, in Australia we can have both.
we should be:
1. polite , not accusing each other, not to judge each other, not to abuse each other.
2. having freedom of expression.

Peppy you said 92% of Australians don't go to church, then your conclusion was that 92% of Australians are not religious.
Not going to church doesn't mean to be Non religios. Many people believe in God and are religious but don't go to Church or Mosque etc.

I believe that much more than 8% of Australians are religious. They might be even the majority.


People against live
I have answered one of your questions, I will answer the other ones soon. :)

Peppy and CJ Morgan
you can't judge and accuse a person as fundamentalist if the person talks about God or respect to religion. Recentlt it is in fashion that if a person talks about spirituality or respect to prophet or religion, immediately some guys with a show off style try to say: oh I don't like FUNDAMENTALISM !
Posted by ALJAZEERA_OZ, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 8:29:05 PM
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People Against Live Exports
Thank you very much for the links and your time. I will look at them.

You asked me: " Do you think it would be better for all our schools to be non religious?"

My answer: No , because of many reasons, I mention only one of them here:
As you are aware , Australians like you, and even some of Non Australians like Peppy believe that there must be freedom of expression. So in the Australian society many people want to learn , to teach , to express and to promote their religion in a freedom enviornment. One of the main part of the Australian culture is this FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, so if we take this from Australians we have damage a part of the CULTURE. You said you are a proud Aussie, you should never think about anything which will be against the Australian culture.

The answer of your other question regarding the leadership of Muslims will be in my next post, God willing.

People Against Live Export you sound polite, kind and friendly. :)
I like you , but I have only one criticise , or a question, from you. Can I say? Can I ask? Do you promise you won't be upset? :
Posted by ALJAZEERA_OZ, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 8:49:27 PM
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Oz
Please go ahead and ask anything you like. I must say being polite is probably not my strongest point on OLO as many will tell you.

I will be pleased to hear your thoughts on Muslim leadership in Australia.
However as of late yesterday afternoon I must inform you I think I have already picked the best Muslim leader for this country.

We would like to welcome the New Mufti of Australia. WE hope to be able To support him along with his supporters and bring blessings hope to the oportunity to have Australia as a wonderful example to the rest of the world by showing wisdom and compassion.
It will take a strong leader who has strong unwavering support from all.
You will be underminded by the Australian Government when it suites them.
Much to our Shame the Australian Government have shown NO Compassion for Gods Creatures and I dont know how John Howard gets up in the morning and looks himself in the morning KNOWING millions of Australian Animals are sent on totally unnessary death ships because hes not man enough to stop it.

OZ Thanks for your answer on Muhammad and woman. I really just mentioned it to get old boazie going.
SECTION V111
Muhammad On Women-
It is said Mohammad taught that the majority of the people in hell were women!
The prophet said, I was shown the Hell- Fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women'[ vol1,nos28,301.,2,no.161.]
The reason the majority of the people in hell were women is stated in vol.2, no. 541
" O Women!. I have not seen anyone more deficent in intelligence and religion than you.

What Aussie Bloke would agree with that one! `Funny As.`

Now just before you rush off to the bible Boaz ALL that shows is men were alike world wide.
It IS time for BOTH Religions to get modernised Boaz is my point!
Ours is "just as stupid" telling people anybody ill was possessed by demons and the devil for goodness sake!
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 30 August 2007 7:12:31 AM
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