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The Virus, Suppression or Elimination?

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Given the Victorian situation and the emulation of headless chooks by 'experts' and politicians, neither suppression nor elimination are on the cards.

And, while total incompetence reigns, nobody is asking what China is up to - despite the fact that it is China who imposed the virus on the West, with only a slight set back to their own population, about whom they don't care much anyway. China is off the agenda for discussion.

In 2019, virologist and co-founder of the HIV virus as well as Nobel Prize winner, Luc Montagnier, claimed that the Chinese virus was "manufactured in a laboratory in China's Wuhan". Why hasn't his finding been discussed more! Friends of China, the WHO, have denied it. The Chinese Communist Party has denied it - as if they would admit to using chemical weapons - and the media, except for the BBC, chose not to discuss it.

Whatever the truth or otherwise of Montagnier's claim, given China's intention to replace the US as world leader, and the CCP's belligerence and bullying, serious Western leaders with a modicum of courage and ability would have discussed the possibility that the virus was part of China's war against the West.

The phrase 'conspiracy theory' has the effect of striking most people dumb. But people do conspire, it's not all 'theory', and China has form. But, our attention has been taken off China, the source of the virus, and the only country which means harm to the West.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 9:38:38 AM
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As Professor James Allan has written on the virus, "the democratic world’s political class screwed up big time." " …. in a decade this will be looked back on as one of the most colossal public policy fiascos of the century." An "East-German" style of lock down has been used:

not trusting average citizens but turning the police into an arm of the nanny state;

locking huge chunks of the productive economy;

paying all sorts of people to do nothing at all while having no plausible politically palatable route out of that situation, and:

doing it all to become the biggest government spenders of all time, saddling, the next generation with untold debts and making Gough Whitlam green with jealousy.

And yet, here we are, a second wave steaming ahead in Victoria despite restrictions, and pathetic premieres in the other states being bullied by medical 'experts' in safe, protected jobs, to flip back into panic mode.

And, of course, there is the "Pravda-like" media, which has never had so much fun spreading fear and panic through a tired, worn out public.

And those responsible (apart from the Chinese Communist Party) - politicians and public servants - carry on with the same pay and conditions, and to hell with the people they have put out of business, bankrupted, made unemployed and generally ruined for ever.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:15:15 AM
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shut downs have proved the biggest failure in a century. Governments /policy makers rarely admit their failures. Western Governments have not the guts to properly investigate China for releases this virus. Meanwhile smirking Fauci's and Gates are seen as the messiah's. The great delusion!
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:21:57 AM
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A few facts:

. There are only 46 serious cases of China virus.

. Infection rate for China virus is 0.26%, and in a bad ‘flu year it is 0.2%.

. There have been only 208 China virus deaths the year, but 1200 road deaths.

. 99% of China virus sufferers recover.

No facts on just how many billions of dollars politicians and fat cats have cost us, nor how many lives have been ruined by them, nor how long Australia will be in debt because of them.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 10:46:26 AM
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Ttbn,

Interesting take: so you're suggesting that governments should let it all rip, that it's just too expensive to try to contain this virus ? Government action has saved probably only a few lives while it has shut down the economy so disastrously ?

But imagine that governments here, like the circus in the US, didn't bother taking any precautions. Let's suppose that the virus started here with only one person infected on, say, 1st February, and from then on each person infected with the virus infected only one other person in a week, and so on:

End of Week 2: 2

Week 3: 4

Week 4: 8

Week 5: 16. (March 1)

No big deal so far, ay ?

Week 6: 32

Week 7: 64

Week 8: 128

Week 9: 256

Week 10 (April) 512

Week 11: 1024

Week 12: 2048

Week 13: 4096 (Anzac Day)

Week 14: 8192

That's April over.

Week 15: 16,384

Week 16: 32,768

Week 17: more than 65,000 (I'm too lazy to do the maths)

Week 18: 130,000

And that's May over.

Week 19: 260,000

Week 20: More than 500,000

Week 21: One million

Week 22: Two Million

Well, that's June sorted out. So far, so good ?

Week 23: Four million

Week 24: Eight million

Week 25: Sixteen million.

Week 26: Twenty five million Australians - we don't have 32 million to spare.

And July's not yet over.

So doing nothing, as your Dystopian agenda would have demanded, would have hit pretty much all of us by now. Maybe a million might have died by now.

So Morrison saved around 999,800 lives ?

And quite possibly, there would have come a point (as we'll see in a month or so in the US) when the economy has stopped working, with so many people not turning up for work through illness and/or death, by the health system being overwhelmed and health professional numbers declining through death and illness while they have been risking their lives in trying to save those of others.

But you'll be allright in your well-stocked bunker.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 11:54:29 AM
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'But imagine that governments here, like the circus in the US, '

yes just imagine that Trump had of caved to who and others calling him racist for stopping flights from where the virus come. Could of been much more tragic although Cuomo was sending covid into nursing homes was bright was it. Just imagine the many doctors on the ground listened to rather than the 'experts'. We would be in a much better place.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:24:48 PM
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