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The Virus, Suppression or Elimination?

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voice of reason again until removed by marxist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts7maQ0S2QI&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2aSu5FjApjmrj6TQn5BHckJMcwvmoYlR6I4l859S0nXPT2xmEc-67EYO0
Posted by runner, Friday, 31 July 2020 10:21:10 AM
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As one in the high risk group my thinking on the overall picture on coronavirus is probably a little coloured by personal perspective.

Then again isolation for me on my 20 acres, with plenty of both useful & recreational things to do, & a 25 kilometer nice country drive to get to the nearest bread bakery was not all that onerous either. I can only imagine how horrible it would be to be cooped up in a small flat in an inner city high rise.

Would it be any better if I was still running a tourist boat operation on the reef, chucking 40 or so out of work, & seeing the fixed costs slowly destroy any prospect of salvaging the operation....ever.

Morrison obviously has a wider view of what's happening & can perhaps see real evidence that more lives are being destroyed by the lockdown than are at risk of being destroyed by the virus itself.

Anyone who can't see that there are 2 sides to this question are either extremely selfish, or are simply political animals, trying to spin some political capital out of the problem.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 31 July 2020 11:00:22 AM
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Hassy, a government mandated lockdown or not, if the pandemic was allowed to run rampant then people would simply impose their own lockdown through fear. The US is a typical example, with some states either imposing minimal restrictions, with others going harder on control the economic result is about the same. The US has seen a 9.5% drop in GDP and 155,000 deaths. In Britain with a shambolic response from Bug Ridden Boris the economic impact has been horrendous. New Zealand's hard lockdown and elimination has thus far resulted in an economic impact no worse that the US, but with only a few deaths.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 1 August 2020 8:10:17 AM
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Yes Paul, spoken as a man who is not in danger of being unemployed or sent broke by any lockdown.

New Zealand is a total red herring Paul. It does not equate to even a fair sized city in the US widely scattered, & could easily control it's boarders.

Yes business as usual is a risk, particularly when some will not practice even simple distancing techniques. Florida is paying the price of being almost totally dependent on tourism, & having to keep it's boarders open for instance. North Queensland would be in an equally pad position if not for coal mining.

If we could somehow control the idiots like the handbag pinching bunch of girls from Brisbane, & some ethnics in Victoria, aided by a dumb premier, we could open up earlier, to the advantage of all
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 1 August 2020 12:28:49 PM
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It looks increasingly likely that the proposition of this thread may well be a misnomer - in that there may well be no stopping this virus at all.
We'll all just have to live with it always lurking in the background, and just flaring up at different times here and there around the world - just like the various Influenza viruses.

Notice we have a different flu vacc every year, and every year many people still contract the flu, and many people still die from it.
There is no perfect vacc because the blessed thing keeps mutating.
This Corona is very likely to follow this same pattern.

Have you noted how the authorities keep checking the 'strain' of the virus found in their testing - to see if it was contracted in Victoria or not?
Also, some people being found positive for a second time, after an intermediary negative result?
Lurking, dormant, while awaiting more amenable physical conditions in the host - and then breaking-out once more?

How is it that all the flu vaccinating around the world has not managed to kill the flu virus(es) once and for all?
And it is my understanding that Covid is a close cousin.

So, we have to face it, all the vaccines they are working on furiously all around the world may only ever be of limited, periodic value.

How many will die each and every year, with no permanent immunity possible?

Meanwhile, bacteria also keep mutating, and the world is running out of effective antibiotics to combat the new multi-resistant strains.

Nature in recoil, and humankind needing a new 'evolution' ('Mutation') to survive - Homo Covidensus Obliticus?

What may the ultimate 'survivors' look like, I wonder?

Could it be a CCP conspiracy?
Posted by Saltpetre, Sunday, 2 August 2020 12:41:29 AM
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Hassy, flip flopping as usual, I make the point, the notion that ignoring the virus, and its business as usual is unrealistic. The big difference between New Zealand and the United States is NZ has strong national leadership in Ardern and her government, without the baggage of inept state authorities. The US on the other hand is led by a total FW and has the misfortune of having Trump clones as Governors in states like Florida and Texas. What a combination for a disaster!

Salty, with influenza its not necessarily a mutation each year, but rather which of the existing strains will be the most prevalent. The vaccination rate in Australia is very high by world standards. According to government, they expect 16.5 million doses to be made available to Australians this year, which includes and additional 3 million on last year. The priority is given to the most vulnerable groups in the community, the elderly, children etc. I suspect that the level of vaccination in most of the third world is very low.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 2 August 2020 8:29:55 AM
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