.get yourself on welfare!
Paul1405,
I'd need to call myself Paul1405 to stoop to that level, no thanks !

Indy, you seem to be confusing yourself, you previously admitted you were on social security payments, welfare for short, in for the long haul I believe, no prospect of paid work. All doled out each fortnight by hard working public servants, that good 95%. Whilst you my friend sit ideal in gods waiting room. the RSL for short, lamenting where the next schooner is coming from. BTW what's your brew XXXX? There is something old I like old chap, a schooner of Tooheys Old.

Hi Yuyutsu "we" and "our" are terms for the collective nation of Australians, a common people. I agree with all you say about the Chinese government. I do find it odd that as an "individualist", meaning no disrespect, you want to go into bat for others against others. No matter how bad you perceive the others to be.

Paul1405,
Cheers, your shout again !

Well Indy if I ever meet up with you I'll certainly shout you a beer old chap, down at 'gods waiting room' where I'm a member. We might not see eye to eye on everything, but I gotta say it would be a boring old forum without the three amigos Issy, Indy and Hassy. BTW where is Issy, me thinks he went Bunyip hunting about a week ago, and has not been seen here since.

Now after that bit of greasing I have to ask, are you still living up a tree in North Queensland, with all the other Jabba Jabba's?

Dear Paul,

«Hi Yuyutsu "we" and "our" are terms for the collective nation of Australians, a common people.»

I normally use "we" and "our" to denote a group to which I happily belong, such as my orchestra. Using these words to denote people whom some others happen to count as their own, possibly without some of them's agreement and/or knowledge, is incorrect language. Yes, the English language allows these to also be used negatively, such as "myself and all other victims whom the state deems to come under its jurisdiction", but that would be out of context.

«I do find it odd that as an "individualist", meaning no disrespect, you want to go into bat for others against others. No matter how bad you perceive the others to be.»

Thank you for your sensitivity, but there is nothing disrespectful about being an individualist. I do believe that our purpose in life is individual. We come into this world to learn what we need to learn and to complete what we need to complete, whereas society is only incidental and while at times it could either support or hinder our individual pursuit, it has no purpose or direction of its own.

However... within our individual purposes, for some of us at least, can be the need to learn to protect oppressed others (people and even animals) and/or to make amends for when we ourselves, in a former body, were oppressing others. While never accepting others' impositions of what our duties "ought" to be, one should be very alert and attentive to notice whether doing so is part of their individual calling, in that case a duty which ought not be ignored or bypassed.

The particular mode of protecting oppressed others, also varies between individuals: for some (though a minority), this means to actually fight evil oppressors, to kill them on the battlefield and also sacrifice life and limb if necessary. For others it could instead be to contribute labour, wealth, skills, leadership, economic sacrifices, moral encouragement, philosophical justification or spiritual support, all according to one's position and capacity.