Dear Ttbn,

As much as politicians are the enemies of us, ordinary people, I believe that in this particular case, their participation in the CCP celebrations was not out of deliberate conscious malice - but rather, they were raising a white flag of surrender to indicate that Australia is unable to withstand the economic shock resulting from China stopping to buy Australian ores.

It pains me when you say: "The lack of interest in the fact that Australian politicians... is a pretty good indicator how unconcerned Australians are about the China threat to Australia and themselves."

Rather than blame everyone for their "lack of interest", can you instead constructively suggest some positive solution? Politicians are predators and as ordinary people we are just their prey, they have the guns, police, helicopters, dogs, prisons, control over communications and all, while we have nothing to defend ourselves from them, so is there anything we can actually do?

Yuyutsu,

After what you say about politicians, you can still ask me for a solution?

Politicians are the way they are because WE allowed them to get that way. Like sheep, we accept compulsory voting. Like sheep, we keep voting (most of us) for the same sort of people who hold us in contempt - Liberal or Labor. We cannot get a decent leader because the parties choose the leader. Unlike the U.S, we are unable to choose a non-career politician to run the country, even if it's just for a short time to ginger up the no-hopers who think that they are born to rule. Our politicians don't have to work to gain our favour: in government, or in opposition, they have a job for life, no matter whether or not they are any good - and none of them are any good: there is less and less difference between them as time goes by.

These days we might be better off if we were a 'banana republic' and we could take direct action when we were not listened to by B-grade politicians. We are too polite, too complacent and too disinterested. The good times after WW2 were really an aberration that spoiled us. We will never have it as good as we have had it from here on out. Future generations will not have as good an existence as we have had, and they are already accepting it. Socialism, which they have had no experience of, seems better than what they have and will have, thanks to the lies of the Left, and the total lack of guts now shown by so-called Conservatives. Hey, something more like China might appeal to them.

I have no solution, Yuyutsu; I'm just glad that I'm nearing the end of my life and not starting out. I certainly cannot claim to feel the way I used to feel about Australia or my fellow Australians. I barely recognise them anymore.

"The Nurenburg (sic) Trials and other war crimes court cases were based on the accounts of witnesses."

Foxy,
You really should try to avoid making the ahistoric claims about things you barely understand.

In terms of establishing the facts of the Holocaust, the evidence from witnesses was not needed and rarely used. The Holocaust was proven by investigators looking into the documentation of it, looking at the evidence in the actual camps. Taking an overview so to speak.

The trials (and the word might be a give-away) at least as regards the murdering of Jews and others were about prosecuting a particular man. Placing this man in this camp at this time and establishing what he did via witness testimony.

So utterly different to what Paul was asserting.

Oh and the trials took place within a very short period of the actual events, not 30 years later. `

Oh and the witnesses had to establish they were witnessing things that really happened. Unlike Paul's claims where there is no evidence for the claim ie that Australians in the actually knew about the etent of killings in China.

If you are going to hit someone for six, it probably helps to know which side of the bat to use. All the evidence is that Foxy doesn't know which end of the bat to use, let alone which side.

You see there is a world of difference between people in Poland knowing from person experience what happened there a couple of years earlier as regards things that had already been proven to have happened, as opposed to people 30 years later claiming to know what happened as regards things that weren't proven to have happened ie western knowledge of Japanese atrocities.

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Dear ttbn,

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You wrote :

« … Australian politicians, both Liberal and Labor, took part in 70 years of the Chinese Communist Party last month … In Melbourne, Victoria Police staged a ceremonial raising of the People’s Republic flag … Australian politicians are openly supporting a despotic Communists regime … We cannot get a decent leader because the parties choose the leader … We are too polite, too complacent and too disinterested »
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You are quite right, ttbn. I share your concerns. Australia is navigating through stormy waters and most of us are either totally unaware of the dangers or just don’t want to see them.

We are being sucked into the whirlpool of Chinese domination while desperately trying to cling to our American protector. What little independence we have is being stretched to near breaking point.

Much to my regret, I have serious doubts that the final choice will be in terms of democracy or totalitarianism but, rather, the unique option that La Boétie termed “voluntary servitude” – in order to preserve whatever we can of our “too polite, too complacent and too disinterested” traditional Aussie lifestyle that we value above all else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

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mhaze,

You should really look at things in their full
context and not present things selectively.

For the record - In the Nuremberg Trials -
against all 24 first tier defendants - there were
33 witnesses called for the prosecution and sixty one
for the defendants.

This is not surprising given that by the time the Nuremberg
trial began, the Allied Military Command had full access to
the German archives, as well as the reports of several
national commissions that had heard approximately 55,000
live witnesses to war crimes and atrocities.

These facts are all documented in history books.

BJ,

Yep.