Despite the Morrison Government seeming to back the U.S. over China, Beijing's growing influence in Australia remains unchecked.

An interesting, non-PC summation at MacroBusiness:

"The Morrison Government has stacked key China positions with relative hawks and its has come down on the US side of the trade war, more or less. These are encouraging practical and rhetorical commitments.

But what the Morrison Government has also done is double and triple down on an economic model that does the complete opposite. The outright focus on commodities and housing as the twin pillars of the Australian economy drives Australian economic interest ever deeper into the Chinese sphere of influence. Dirt speaks for itself and we can see its influence in WA’s virtual CCP puppet government. Housing is more subtle but even more dangerous given its impact of household wealth:

- it relies entirely upon ongoing population growth driven by mass immigration;
- that has a large mainland Chinese component;
- we can already see how that plays out with Gladys Liu, who currently holds the Government’s majority in her hand, linking it to Beijing;
- Beijing puts a lot of effort into corrupting ethnic Chinese electorates and their candidates;
- there are already effectively two Chinese federal electorates. What happens when it becomes four or eight? The result won’t be all one way. The Chinese electorates are not ciphers of Beijing. As Bill Shorten discovered when his egregious parental visa bribe lost him both electorates. But, through no fault of their own, they are vulnerable to Beijing’s bribes and cajoling. The risk is clear that if the migration continues then no political party hostile to CCP intentions will get elected in Australia.

The CCP friendly government of Manchurian Dan in Victoria is an example of where this leads federally in the long run.

.. unless and until Morrison cuts the flow of mainland Chinese migration into Australia, preventing further expansion of CCP ballot box power in whatever form that takes, he is implicitly choosing Beijing over Washington in the long run, no matter how much he kisses the Trump derriere."

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/09/scomo-has-chosen-beijing-over-washington/

Dear FrankU,

It's all too late. Australia has a Chinese future. People just have to like it or lump it. Sorry about the reality check but that's what the politicians, bureaucrats and business community have been doing to the country over the past 30 years.

Are you from Sydney? If not then pay a visit, it's absolutely amazing: every second person in Sydney is Chinese.

The Chinese influence in Australia is hardly 'News and current affairs'. What we need is something done about; but nothing will be done about it when we have a 'leader' like Scott Morrison.

Morrison was described very aptly recently by Paul Collits:

"Morrison is a do-nothing, waste of political space, not remotely inclined to address the deepest fears and policy desires of those now famous “silent Australians” who voted for the man. But, more than this, Morrison raised hopes only to disappoint. He is a conservative PRETENDER who will stand idly by while the long ideological march continues apace. He will offer crumbs, not red meat".

Morrison has only "electoral smarts, ersatz chuminess and factional cleverness" going for him: attributes which are as much use to Australia as tits on a bull in the face of the China threat, and just about every other threat facing the country.

With Morrison as accidental Prime Minister, Australia is even more rooted than it has been any time since the Howard era.

Mr Opinion please check your figures on how many Chinese live in Sydney
You are very very wrong face it
But the thread is well put China has time to achieve what it wants and we are part of that list

After political correctness completely nullifies all western nations soverignty and they become vassal states under globalism;
Then under 'trade necessities' the west will more closely align with the east;
In that:
Competition will ensure the wests wages will go decrease while Chinas wages will increase;
(Continuing the profitability for multi-nations while nations fall around them)
Multicultuaral policies will create a need for moving to a full surveillance state like China.

Israel will become more powerful as it is a 'Jewish' state, and not weakened by immigration and political correctness becoming policy;
As well as the fact it will have hegemony over global technology as a sister to Chinas manufacturing, also the Silk road also goes to Haifa.

Dear Belly,

I went out into the streets and did a quick head count. Yep, just as I said, every second person in Sydney is Chinese. I asked my wife if she would have a look and yep she came back and said that every second person in Sydney is Chinese.

For you to say that every second person in Sydney cannot be Chinese tells me you live outside of Sydney. Why not come to Sydney and have a look for yourself? You'll be absolutely amazed at what you see.

Mr O weirdly informing me you do not in fact understand the subject
One seat in Sydney, held by a Chinese woman, has twenty percent Chinese
Not 50 percent
Now we, as America wishes, are to be its helper in trying to bring the Pacific country's under our banner
We, unlike the Chinese, go with nearly empty pockets
We are facing true danger from China, and it is even worse because we are siding with Americas worst ever leader

Mr O, it all depends where you are counting the heads. Now if its down Hurstville way then its more like 95%, but of course if you are up in Bondi Junction you might thing you are in Tel Aviv, no where near Beijing.

Maybe the Chinese influence in Aussie might have something to do with the $27 billion they spend in our shop, buying our dirt, each year.

When living in Sydney we often shopped in the Chinese butchers in Hurstsville. There you could obtain such delights as pigs intestine, pigs jelly, wont say what it is, other than its red and congealed, the essential ingredient in 'Black Pudding'. Nothing like a 'Boil Up` of "soft" pork bones, with greens and dough boys. The wife said, unfortunately with these days of political correctness she has had to replace missionaries with pork bones in her 'boil Up', the good wife often laments, oh! how the good things in life have gone by the wayside! No longer being able to chew on a bit of the Captain Cook, I suppose you feel the same Mr O? Strangely the old women behind the counter in the butcher shop couldn't speak a word of English, and the wife couldn't speak a word of Cantonese, but between her chop chop in Maori and much gesturing, and hand waving she always got what she wanted.

Hey Mr Opinion;

I went to Sydney 2 years ago and saw if for myself.

I'm not sure that your 'every second person in Sydney is Chinese' holds precisely true.

- But from what I saw as I traveled through the 'city' by rail from the airport to the western suburbs;
Seeing the mixture of people as they waited on the train platforms;
It was definitely every second person, and maybe even more in some places.

Dear Armchair Critic,

Thank you for letting us know what you saw. I come from the northside of Sydney Harbour where I reckon the average is 1 in 2 people in the area are Chinese. Keep in mind this includes Chinese Australian citizens who migrated here, Australians of Chinese descent, Chinese migrants holding permanent residency visas, Chinese students, and lastly Chinese tourists. The figures that our resident statistician mhaze likes to cite from the ABS to claim that there is only 1 in 20 that are Chinese are those belonging to the group of 1.2 million Chinese Australians. mhaze won't give us numbers for the other four groups simply because he wants to hide the overall numbers.

China could be the same threat to Australia that the European Union was for the United Kingdom, because the communist dictatorship is counting on Australia, the Pacific Islands and SE Asian countries falling under its influence.

China will soon have to bring Hong Kong to heel. It is unlikely that the CCP will keep its promise to allow HK autonomy and an independent judiciary for another two decades (2047); and who is going to stop them? The entire Western world allowed them to take over the South China Sea despite the fact that the aggressive act was contrary to international law.

Just recently, Qantas cravenly stopped referring to Taiwan as the Republic of China (ROC) because Communist China didn't like it.

In August 2019 the Chinese Ministry of Education arrogantly demanded that Academics at the University of Technology Sydney provide their passport numbers and dates of birth, in order to be able to continue to teach a joint Chinese-Australian course at that university. The demand was treated with the contempt it deserves.

Further recent demands from Beijing include one that Australian MPs like Andrew Hastie be stopped from criticising China. Malcolm Turnbull's rare show of courage regarding China was ranted against.

Australia needs to start distancing itself from the communist bully. Trade only should be the rule. Chinese society and politics are anathema to us. We have nothing in common.

Why do people always assume that every Asian they see
is Chinese? And why are they so surprised to have
Asian people on this continent?

Our continent is south of Asia. Asians have been visiting
northern parts of this continent long before the Europeans.
Asians that we see today come from various parts of Asia
not just China. Admittedly some Asians do look Chinese
just like some Brits look European (joke).

BTW: I'm not surprised that if you walk the streets of
Sydney particularly in the tourist areas you will see many
Chinese. The same as if you travel to the outback
you'll see our Indigenous people.

Also noet that there is a thriving tourist trade between
Australia and China. And 2 most popular destinations
are the Gold Coast and Sydney.

Dear ttbn,

There was a snippet from an interview with a visiting Chinese academic on The Insiders this morning in which the academic said that China would attack Australia immediately if war broke out between China and the US.

Dear Mr Opinion,

A leading pro-Beijing academic would say that.
Of course he would be warning Australia not
to back the US and rely on being saved by
America if there was a conflict between China
and the US. He's protecting his own interests.

Dear Foxy,

I can tell the difference between Chinese and other Asians and I can tell you that Chinese outnumber the rest of the Asians put together. Simple way to test what I am claiming is for people to pay a visit to Sydney and spend a few days travelling around on the public transport system and do their own assessment. If you can tell me how to upload photo images into my posts I will gladly show you typical street scenes from across Sydney which will validate what I am saying.

Dear Foxy,

I know it's political rhetoric but he did say it and I believe he was echoing the thought system of the Chinese Communist Party. The Japanese tried to capture Australia in the early days of the Pacific War because Australia was part of the British Commonwealth which was at war with its Axis allies. So similarly its only to be expected that China would attack the allies of the US. Difference between Australia in 1941 and Australia in 2019 is that in 2019 the enemy is already inside the gate.

Check the Australian Department of statistics, you will find claims of 50 percent just plain wrong
Sydney probably has more than any other city
But remember more Greeks live in Melbourne than Greece

Hi Mr O, I spent many years travelling the public transport system of Sydney. In that time my observation was the vast majority of Asians using the system were younger people, I assume mostly students from UTS or Uni of NSW. The bigoted attitude of some Australians towards migrants is not new, post WWII with its influx of "wogs" (an offensive word in common use for many years to describe migrants of Southern European origin) was rampant. According to some these new arrivals wanted to turn Australia into a "little Italy" or some such thing. These new arrivals were guilty of "taking our jobs" as well as "buying up all the houses". As for locating themselves, the Italians were in Leichhardt, and the Greeks had taken over Marrickville. So what's new?

Dear Paul1405,

We are discussing whether or not Australia is slipping further into China's sphere of influence. I don't think the migrants of post WW2 were seen in the same context as the Chinese in Australia are seen today. I believe Australia has a Chinese future and everything I have being putting forward is in support of my thesis. Do you accept that Australia will become a Chinese nation or a part of a global Chinese empire?

China might be an all-round fascinating country but it’s not a “normal” country and we should resist treating it as if it was a more populous Great Britain or a more dynamic India. It is an aspiring superpower, whose guiding values are not merely different but deeply hostile to our own. You can by all means sup with the devil, but apart from having a long spoon you have to at all times remember who you supping with. China might or might not be like Nazi Germany, but on the account of its population, size, geography, economic dynamism and the mastery of cutting edge technology it is potentially more dangerous to the world than Nazi Germany ever was.

"Do you accept that Australia will become a Chinese nation or a part of a global Chinese empire?" Well Mr O, that requires a high degree of speculation, but I will say such is possible. That could be achieved in many different ways. Australia could become an economic state similar to the way Japan treated Manchuria prior to WWII. On the other hand there could be an agreed future carve up of "territory" between the worlds two super powers similar to the Churchill/Stalin accord over Europe post WWII. Something that would serve both their interests. For Chinese thinking there is no reason why they should love us, we have never done anything in the past to garner the love of the Chinese. If I was them I would view Australia as a big island of natural resources being in a state of terra nullius, there are a handful of savages, but at best they are only good for digging up my dirt for me.

"China might be an all-round fascinating country but it’s not a “normal” country" ttbn and the "normal" countries are?

As China becomes richer and more powerful its influence will increase and Australia is probably affected more than most. However, being subject to a country's influence does not mean being a vassal state, the rejection of Huawei in the face of strong objection by Beijing is evidence of that.

What is required is competent and firm diplomacy.

"the rejection of Huawei in the face of strong objection by Beijing is evidence of that ( being a vassal state)". "What is required is competent and firm diplomacy." Shadow Minister, how can you be sure that Australia was demonstrating competent and firm diplomacy in regards to the Huawei rejection, and not simply following the dictates of Washington, and acting the good sycophant we often are perceived to be under Coalition governments.

Capitalist countries were done for the moment we offshored our manufacturing to communism.

The comments here are very alarming and disturbing. Clearly China is an enemy.

But what is their favourite weapon?

Military might would be their last resort - sowing apathy their first; and time is on their side.

The more coercion and surveillance we have in Australia, the more we become a police-state, the less the difference from China, then why would we care specifically who is controlling us, who censors us, who it is that looks at all we do 24/7? All China needs is to support a strong tyrannical government in Australia, then in due course Australia will fall into their hands easily like a ripe fruit!

On the contrary, the more personal freedom we have and value (including minority-group-freedom and religious-freedom, which are so lacking in China), the more likely we shall give them an heroic fight when the time comes.

I say, let us prepare the necessary biological weapons with special attraction to Han-Chinese genes, so that if Australia is invaded, very few humans would remain alive in China. Meanwhile, let us wean ourselves of the temptation for cheap Chinese goods (which are generally of low quality and endurance anyway). Also, we should openly and proudly recognise Taiwan as an independent country and our ally (and as the question will be raised - yes, we should try as much as possible to release vaccines in Taiwan simultaneously when we release our biological weapons in China).

If we are to be treated like "a handful of savages" as Paul puts it, then let us be true to that name, let us fight and die if necessary like the Maoris of New-Zealand rather than like our aboriginals here who gave no resistance and died passively like flies with special "thanks" to the effects of alcohol.

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Caveat: None of this worries me personally because I do not plan to remain in this world when all this comes to pass.

But what is their favourite weapon?

Tsun Zu - Art of War

http://youtu.be/31j43R77tOc

"Clearly China is an enemy" Hi Yuyutsu, why do we have to assume China is our enemy, what wrong have the Chinese ever done us? Too often in our short history as nation we have assumed these people, or those people, are our enemy, out to do us harm. We started early on with the Boars of South Africa, then progressed to the Turks of the Middle East, Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc etc, the list goes on. Australia has shown itself to be a most aggressive and belligerent nation, up there with the British and Americans, all dangers to world peace!

BTW do all ads appear the same on every ones forum pages? There is this decrepit old bloke in an ad for health insurance saying "Aussies born before 1962..." He's got this evil stare.... is it one of the Forums conservative old farts in the picture, keeping an eye on us all, in case we say the wrong thing? That's something I would never do!

Paul,

As Australia banning Huawei before the US blows a hole in your conspiracy theory.

Too often in our short history as nation we have assumed these people, or those people, are our enemy,
Paul1405,
I tend to agree with your statement, I'm more inclined to think that the Paul1405's & Mr Opinion's et al are the real enemy of Australia.

Dear individual,

What is your reason for thinking that I am an enemy of Australia?

Do you accept that Australia will become a Chinese nation or a part of a global Chinese empire?

What if the Chinese empire isn't entirely Chinese?

Who built China? Was it the Chinese;
Or was it global elite and multinationals who moved the jobs and wealth TO China?

Hi Mr O, in my case I"m Australian enough to pay taxes to keep the likes of Indy in welfare payments each fortnight. He hates public servants, but if they didn't pay his handout into the bank he'd be down to Centrelink complaining faster than Usain Bolt can run. Unlike Indy we are not "party members" and that must make us enemies of the state.

The best way to combat China is to smarten up our economy.

We are over-dependent on commodity exports to China at the expense of the more balanced and forward-looking development and management of our own economy, which is a much easier and smarter pursuit than trying to combat spying. The way for the West to beat or resist Chinese aggression is via improved industrial and economic performance.

We need "clear strategic thinking and economic efficiency". But, we are short on both.

What is your reason for thinking that I am an enemy of Australia?
Mr Opinion,
Your posts suggest so !

Mr O, be a true blue dinky-di Aussie link Indy....get yourself on welfare!

Dear Paul,

«Hi Yuyutsu, why do we have to assume China is our enemy, what wrong have the Chinese ever done us?»

China is a threat to any one who values personal, group and religious freedoms. They already crushed the good people of Tibet, they threaten Taiwan, they expand their territory by building new islands and influencing poor countries, they build ever more threatening weapons, they crush the religious within, they follow everyone with computerised cameras, they threaten their citizens and ex-citizens even overseas with punishing their families; and of course they lock up millions of Uighurs in concentration camps. Their intention is to enslave the world and make it subservient to their nation, party and race. There is much more and the similarities with Hitler's Germany are striking.

«Too often in our short history as nation we have...»

Our? We? Please speak for yourself, I am not a nation!

«Too often in our short history as nation we have assumed these people, or those people, are our enemy, out to do us harm.»

I did not say that China is necessarily an enemy of the nation of Australia as such, but rather that it is an enemy of all good and peaceful people. It may well be, though not comforting at all, that since both Australia and China have nationhood in common and as nationalism is growing within Australia, they could even become partners in crime.

«We started early on with the Boars of South Africa, then progressed to the Turks of the Middle East, Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc etc»

So what do you suggest? That good people should remain silent in the face of evil?

«Australia has shown itself to be a most aggressive and belligerent nation»

But of course: aggressiveness and belligerence are the very nature of nationalism. The trouble is that while nationalism raises its ugly head even in Australia, in China, like in Nazi Germany, it is in its zenith.

.get yourself on welfare!
Paul1405,
I'd need to call myself Paul1405 to stoop to that level, no thanks !

Indy, you seem to be confusing yourself, you previously admitted you were on social security payments, welfare for short, in for the long haul I believe, no prospect of paid work. All doled out each fortnight by hard working public servants, that good 95%. Whilst you my friend sit ideal in gods waiting room. the RSL for short, lamenting where the next schooner is coming from. BTW what's your brew XXXX? There is something old I like old chap, a schooner of Tooheys Old.

Hi Yuyutsu "we" and "our" are terms for the collective nation of Australians, a common people. I agree with all you say about the Chinese government. I do find it odd that as an "individualist", meaning no disrespect, you want to go into bat for others against others. No matter how bad you perceive the others to be.

Paul1405,
Cheers, your shout again !

Well Indy if I ever meet up with you I'll certainly shout you a beer old chap, down at 'gods waiting room' where I'm a member. We might not see eye to eye on everything, but I gotta say it would be a boring old forum without the three amigos Issy, Indy and Hassy. BTW where is Issy, me thinks he went Bunyip hunting about a week ago, and has not been seen here since.

Now after that bit of greasing I have to ask, are you still living up a tree in North Queensland, with all the other Jabba Jabba's?

Dear Paul,

«Hi Yuyutsu "we" and "our" are terms for the collective nation of Australians, a common people.»

I normally use "we" and "our" to denote a group to which I happily belong, such as my orchestra. Using these words to denote people whom some others happen to count as their own, possibly without some of them's agreement and/or knowledge, is incorrect language. Yes, the English language allows these to also be used negatively, such as "myself and all other victims whom the state deems to come under its jurisdiction", but that would be out of context.

«I do find it odd that as an "individualist", meaning no disrespect, you want to go into bat for others against others. No matter how bad you perceive the others to be.»

Thank you for your sensitivity, but there is nothing disrespectful about being an individualist. I do believe that our purpose in life is individual. We come into this world to learn what we need to learn and to complete what we need to complete, whereas society is only incidental and while at times it could either support or hinder our individual pursuit, it has no purpose or direction of its own.

However... within our individual purposes, for some of us at least, can be the need to learn to protect oppressed others (people and even animals) and/or to make amends for when we ourselves, in a former body, were oppressing others. While never accepting others' impositions of what our duties "ought" to be, one should be very alert and attentive to notice whether doing so is part of their individual calling, in that case a duty which ought not be ignored or bypassed.

The particular mode of protecting oppressed others, also varies between individuals: for some (though a minority), this means to actually fight evil oppressors, to kill them on the battlefield and also sacrifice life and limb if necessary. For others it could instead be to contribute labour, wealth, skills, leadership, economic sacrifices, moral encouragement, philosophical justification or spiritual support, all according to one's position and capacity.

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Dear Mr Opinion,

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You wrote to Foxy :

« The Japanese tried to capture Australia in the early days of the Pacific War because Australia was part of the British Commonwealth which was at war with its Axis allies. So similarly its only to be expected that China would attack the allies of the US »
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The Japanese were certainly on the warpath, Mr Opinion, and may well have envied the wide-open spaces of Australia, more than 20 times the land area of Japan, with a population of just over 7 million compared to Japan’s 105 million in 1941.

However, before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour on 7 December 1941, the US did not want to enter the second world war. That attack triggered Franklin Roosevelt, the US president, and John Curtin, the Australian prime minister, to declare war on Japan the following day, 8 December 1941.

Australia had entered the second world war on 3 September 1939, the date on which France and the UK declared war on Germany – not because Australia was a member of the British Commonwealth, but because it was still, de jure and de facto, a colony of the UK, albeit “a quasi-self-governing colony” up until 3 March 1986 when the Australia Act came into force.

As a result of the Australia Act, all that remains of our colonial status is our colonial constitution of 1901 which has never been replaced and our head of state, the British Crown. Because of that, Australia remains, of course, a Constitutional Monarchy.

Our prime minister, Robert Menzies declared on 3 September 1939 :

« Fellow Australians, it is my melancholy duty to inform you officially, that in consequence of a persistence by Germany in her invasion of Poland, Great Britain has declared war upon her and that, as a result, Australia is also at war. No harder task can fall to the lot of a democratic leader than to make such an announcement »

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Prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour, Churchill and Roosevelt had agreed on a “Germany first” war strategy which Churchill concealed from John Curtin who was our prime minister in 1941. Churchill was obsessed with defeating Germany and was prepared to abandon Australia to the Japanese if they wanted it.

To ease Curtin's concern for Australia's safety, and resist the withdrawal of our military forces from Britain, North Africa, and the Middle East, Churchill assured Curtin that a British fleet would be dispatched to save us if there was a Japanese invasion. That was a lie. Churchill had no intention of sending a British fleet to save Australia.

When Curtin sought a response to his pleas for British military assistance to defend Australia against Japanese invasion, and mentioned the extent of the military assistance that Australia had provided to Britain in its struggle with Germany, Winston Churchill made it very clear that no British military support would be provided for the defence of Australia.

On February 19, 1942, Darwin was attacked by two Japanese air raids. They were led by Mitsuo Fuchida, the same Japanese commander who had bombed Pearl Harbour 10 weeks earlier. The attacks killed 250 people and injured 300 to 400.

A total of 188 planes attacked Darwin’s port and harbour, destroying 20 military aircraft and eight ships. The National Archives of Australia state that most of the city’s military and civil infrastructure was also blown to smithereens in what’s popularly known as “Australia’s Pearl Harbour”.

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Dear Banjo Paterson,

So why are you giving us this cut & paste account taken from some Google site?

Hi Mr O, BP has given an historically accurate account of events at that time. What I will add, is that 'Pig Iron' Bob Menzies, The founder of the Liberal Party, had proposed the "Brisbane Line", should Japan invade Australia from the north. According to Menzies Australia should offer no resistance until the Japanese had reached a point on the map just north of Brisbane. Since Menzies was of the same mind as Churchill, he opposed the return of Australian troops to defend Australia. I'm not sure what defence against the Japanese Menzies had in mind, possibly old women with broomsticks. Menzies of course would have been puffed up and safe in England as part of the British War Cabinet.

Mr O, should the Chinese invade Australia maybe good old Scum O' could take a leaf out of the Menzies book, and propose the "Hobart Line".
Just a small point, although the British Commonwealth was formed in name back in 1931, many including the likes of Menzies seen Australia as nothing more than an appendage of the British Empire.

Usual rubbish from Mr O..."The Japanese tried to capture Australia in the early days of the Pacific War"

Japan never intended to capture Australia. They had neither the manpower, equipment of need to do so. It was briefly considered by some people with the Japanese navy but the proposal was squashed by the army who considered it 'gibberish' (rather appropriate given that Mr O believes it).

Instead the initial plan was to isolate Australia from its allies by controlling all the sea routes between Australia and the US. This would have effectively neutralised Australia as a potential threat. That's why the victory in the Battle of the Coral Sea was so important in saving Australia.

While debunking myth... there is no (as in zero, nada, nix) evidence that Menzies or any other government every proposed a Brisbane Line. The claim was an election ploy cooked up by a few ALP ministers based on a complete misunderstanding of the actual strategic proposals. A royal commission looked into the issue and found no evidence for the myth. That people like Paul still believe it shows just how easily some people are fooled if they really really want to be.

Since I've broken my rule about ignoring Mr O's idiotic claims, perhaps just this once, I'll make some points.

Mr O thinks its legitimate to calculate the number of this or that ethnic group in Sydney and/or Australia by strolling around various locales and counting. He also thinks that data from The Asutralian Bureau of Statistics can be ignored as second-hand data!! A certifiable moron, indeed.

But if Mr O thinks this is in any way valid, he'll need to admit that things are improving in regards to Chinese numbers, since in 2015 he was saying 2 in 3 people he saw were Chinese but now its only 1 in 2. I wonder if he's up to understanding which is the higher proportion?

Mr O claims to have 4 degrees. Now I know that the Australian education system is in a poor state, but I can't beleive that even as bad as it is, it would give even one degree to a moron who thinks that strolling around Chatswood counting heads is preferable to accessing ABS data. Indeed I'd doubt they'd even let such a dill out of kindergarten.

Hilariously one of the degrees O. claims is Environment Sociology which relies heavily on developing and accessing data via survey and statistics. But poor Mr O is clearly incapable of understanding, let alone, doing any of that.

The poor fool has created from thin air his claimed credentials in order to puff up a clearly deficient ego. He's incapable of developing, let alone maintaining any argument, so relies on faked expertise to try to win where intellect fails him.

I'll now go back to ignoring the fool

Mhaze, I offer evidence for Menzies 'Brisbane Line'defence strategy. US General Douglas MacArthur referred to the Brisbane Line during a press conference in March 1943. The UAP/CP proposal as championed by Menzies and Fadden was highlighted by Labor member Eddie Ward. Knowledgeable people at the time believed the relevant records were removed from the Cabinet transcripts, allowing for a Royal Commission to find no evidence, and therefore save Menzies hide.

Paul,

Just regurgitating the myth isn't evidence.

"the relevant records were removed from the Cabinet transcripts"

Well the Royal Commission looked into that specific claim and found that it was a false claim. The cabinet documents weren't removed because they didn't exist.

We should also note that Eddie Ward was effectively demoted by Curtin when the truth became clear.

Look, it made perfect sense that, in the event of the Japanese landing an army in Australia, we would try to protect the most important industrial and population areas, ie the east coast from Brisbane to Melbourne, with particular emphasis on Sydney and Newcastle.
The strategic assessment also included defending Darwin as a forward base. It was this that MacArthur referred to.

But this idea didn't come from Menzies or any other politician. It was the natural and correct strategic analysis from the army command. And it all happened AFTER the UAP was out of government.

The ALP is well-practised at creating these myths that its loyal followers end up believing. Pig Iron Bob. Brisbane Line. Menzies advanced knowledge of the Petrov Affair. Kerr and the CIA. etc etc

All rubbish and all fervently accepted by the ALP's flying monkeys

mhaze,

An article given in The Australian, 18th May 2017,
by Mark Day tells us that -

"A treasure trove of documents detailing how Australia
was to be subjected to a scorched earth policy if
Japan had invaded 75 years ago has been uncovered in an
amazing chance discovery."

The files shed light on the controversial Brisbane Line
and has been published in a book, "Scorched Earth" by
Heritage Consultant Sue Rosen.

Might be worth consulting.

Foxy,

I haven't got a subscription to the Australia so perhaps you can send me through some pertinent paragraphs since you've obviously read it.

As to the book, I've read, or at least skimmed, it.

Its about what I'd expect from people who aren't really military historians. Being amazed that the Australian leadership had plans for a scorched earth policy in the event of a Japanese invasion, is like being amazed that the sun rose in the east this morning.

Of course we had such a policy. Of course we were going to concentrate on protecting the major industrial and population centres. Of course we were going to destroy everything of use to the enemy as it advanced. These are standard military tactics which have been employed since Sargon the Great was a boy.

I'd venture that every nation on earth has plans as to what to do in the event of invasion. Just as they have plans as to what to do in the event of problems with neighbours. I'd be willing to bet my wife's virginity that we have invasion plans for New Zealand. Just because we do doesn't mean we intend to do so.

But all this utterly misses the point about the Brisbane Line myth as per Paul's fantasies. He's claiming that the line was an invention of Menzies and that they later sought to cover it up be removing documents from the official record. Both of those propositions were checked by a Royal Commission and found to be utterly groundless. The book has nothing new to say on that.

The strategic decision to basically withdraw behind a line between Adelaide and Brisbane was a military decision, not a political one although even then the politicians over-ruled it.

They had that luxury because the invasion never happened. Indeed the Japanese never had the slightest intentions of invading.

mhaze,

The book - "Scorched Earth: Australia's Secret Plan for
total war" is a 2017 history book. It covers Australian
planning in response to a feared Japanese invasion of
Australia during World War II. The Brisbane Line is
covered in it. And If you managed to get a hold of it
then you should know what it was about.

The article in the Australian lifts the lid on the
documents found that resulted in the book.

You can access The Australian article yourself. It does
not have a pay wall attached.

mhaze,

Here's the information for you:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inquirer/the-citizens-guide-to-war-when-japan-threatened-australia/news-story/Oe542f479492d1O4564dOOd963e4c2fb

cont'd ...

I'll try again:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inquirer/the-citizens-guide-to-war-when-japan-threatened-australia/news-story/Oe542f479492d104564d00d963e4c2fb

Ooops and again:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inquirer/the-citizens-guide-to-war-when-japan-threatened-australia/news-story/Oe542f479492d1O4564dOOd963e4c2fb

mhaze,

My apologies. I did try.

However if you put in :

"Australia prepared a secret plan to repel a Japanese
invasion." The site should come up. And clarify things
for you.

You're welcome.

Mhaze, you attack me saying; "That people like Paul still believe it shows just how easily some people are fooled if they really really want to be." Relying on your orthodox high school history account of the events of the time. I rely on hours of discussions I've had with many who experienced those times. Contrary to your opinion that Japan never intended to capture Australia, in 1942 Australians were overwhelmingly fearful of an imminent Japanese invasion.
It unpalatable to many Liberals, even today, that their much revered founder 'Pig Iron' Bob was seen as a defeatist at best, and for some, certainly by today's standards, a traitor to the nation.

Hi Foxy, thanks for that info, 'Scorched Earth' Sue Rosen, my local Library does not have a copy, but there are 5 copies elsewhere (according to the internet catalogue), so I'll get one sent over for me, costs 80c. We have a terrific library in Brisbane, much better than was my local in Sydney. I try to read a book a week, sometimes it takes two weeks. Nice little book this week 'The Voyages of Captain Cook' Anthony Cornish. Getting prepared for the 250th anniversary of Cookie sailing into Botany Bay, 28th April 2020. I will put up a discussion on that, and what I think of it, and what we should do with all those Cookie like monuments we have pigeons pooing on in parks and gardens etc. My opinion might possibly upset the Forums grumpy old men. I hope not, but what's new.

Foxy wrote: " It [the book] covers Australian
planning in response to a feared Japanese invasion of
Australia during World War II. The Brisbane Line is
covered in it. "

Yes it is covered. And it adds precisely nothing to what we already knew about Menzies and the Brisbane Line myth that Paul adheres to.

Nothing.

And the article you struggled so hard to retrospectively find equally adds nothing new to the myth and essentially supports what I said about the myth that Paul so wants to be true.

And what was that? that there was a policy in 1942 to not defend those parts of Australia north of Brisbane and west of the Darling but that policy had precisely nothing to do with Menzies or UAP government. Nothing.

Paul wrote:"Contrary to your opinion that Japan never intended to capture Australia, in 1942 Australians were overwhelmingly fearful of an imminent Japanese invasion."

Now Paul, it is very true that people were fearful of an invasion. People assumed it was coming. But, and this might be hard for you to follow, the question as to whether Japan intended to invade has nothing to do with Australian's fear of invasion. It all comes down to whether the Japanese intended to invade. And they didn't. They had no intention and no ability to invade. That you talk to people who lived through it and thought otherwise doesn't make it so, in the same way that my grand-daughter's view that there are monsters in the attic doesn't make it so.

Equally, that some people might have bought the notion that Menzies proposed the Brisbane Line doesn't make it so, especially when all the evidence , and I mean ALL the evidence, shows otherwise

Mhaze, glad you were privy to the inner thoughts of the Japanese War Council during WWII. Emperor Hirohito only had to order it to be so, and it was so. Did the war criminal Hirohito want to invade Australia, well you don't know and I don't know. Total domination of a Greater Asia economic zone seemed to be the Japanese objective. Something like the Chinese and the US today. A most interesting period of history.

Dear Foxy,

You are correct. And was there any mention of how Sydney siders were to be evacuated to the Blue Mountains and the area fortified to make a last stand against the Japanese. Some of the fortified areas can still be recognised.

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Dear Mr Opinion,

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It seems there is no consensus among historians as to whether the Japanese intended to invade Australia or not during the second world war.

What they do appear to agree on is that the Australian government was publicly discussing a pending Japanese invasion well into 1944 when, as we now know, the Japanese were barely capable of defending the Japanese Home Islands, the Philippines and their Mandated Territories.

Personally, I can’t see why they would stop at Java if they hadn’t been forced to do so. I suspect they overestimated their own military strength at the outset of the second world war and underestimated that of the US. Most of their neighbours in the Pacific certainly see them as a belligerent nation – and usually for good reason.

Compared to the war history of Japan, China’s is quite different. The Chinese consider they have never invaded nor permanently occupied what may be deemed a “foreign” country as such. They consider they simply unified what were historically separate Chinese territories. This includes Manchukuo, with the help of the Russians, in 1945, most of the western and southern Mainland China in 1949, Tibet, in 1950, which was historically part of the Qing Dynasty. They also claim sovereignty over a number of disputed islands in the Pacific.

Whereas China, itself, has been invaded and occupied in totality by Genghis Khan and the Mongols, as well as in part by the Japanese, the Russians, the British, the French, the Italians, the Germans and the Hungarians.

The Portuguese lost their battles with the Chinese but occupied Macau on a rental basis. Hong Kong was leased to the British for 99-years until 2007 and as for Taiwan, the Chinese consider it to be a province of China.

Today, China is a major hegemonic power, similar to the UK in the nineteenth century and the US in the twentieth century. It deploys its economic, financial, cultural and military power for political gain on the world scene.

Their motto: « Win without fighting »
The Art of War, Sun Tzu (544-496 BC)

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BP, spot on, with both sides well armed with nuks the MAD principle is to the fore. « Win without fighting » is far more desirable.

Mr O, the 1942 "invasion" of Sydney Harbour by Jap midget subs and the subsequent shelling of Sydney's eastern burbs by a Jap mother sub, certainly put the frighteners on many Sydneysiders, rents in fashionable beach side burbs dropped 50%, and for those that could afford hols in the Blue Mountains were much in demand.

Mhaze, are you saying the Menzies government had no final say on defence planning, even generals take orders from politicians. You stated defence strategy for Australia was very much a 'Brisbane Line' strategy.

Incidentally, when the Japanese were murdering millions of Chinese during the Second Sino-Japanese War in the 1930's the Australian public's consensus was very much "well they are only Chinamen!"

mhaze, and Paul,

This is taken from The Australian article that I cited
earlier:

" The documents Rosen uncovered make it clear that governments,
state and federal were preparing a scorched-earth policy to
deny invaders any form of assistance after landing. These
plans were to be applied to an arc from Maryborough in
Queensland to Portland in Victoria.

This shifts the reported Brisbane Line a little north but leaves
no doubt about officials'willingness to abandon areas
considered too difficult to defend."

If you put it - " Australia prepared a secret plan to repel
a Japanese invasion." The entire article by Mark Day from
The Australian will come up and you can read it for yourself.

Did you know that Australian politicians, both Liberal and Labor, took part in 70 years of the Chinese Communist Party last month?

In Queensland this bizarre celebration of Communist dictatorship was sponsored by Labor's Peter Russo, and ex-LNP John-Paul Langbroek. The guest of honour for the event was Xu Jie, the CCP government’s Consul General in Brisbane.

That event followed a similar celebration in NSW where that state parliament’s speaker Jonathon O’Dea spoke in glowing terms, reported by CCP media.

In Melbourne, Victoria Police staged a ceremonial raising of the People’s Republic flag in the heavily Chinese Box Hill.

Australian politicians are openly supporting a despotic Communists regime which is a direct threat to Australia.

What has His Uselessness, Scott Morrison, to say about this? Diddly squat, as per usual.

"well they are only Chinamen!"
Paul1405,
And what did the Chinese say about Australians ?

Was Paul 1405 around in the 1930s to know what Australians thought about what the Japanese did to the Chinese?

My father and others were. I learnt much from such people ttbn.

Well on this issue of WW2 I made two points:

1. That the story perpetrated by the ALP that Menzies was behind the Brisbane Line proposal was a myth.

A Royal commission looked at the issue and found it utterly wrong. The claims that the documentation was hidden was looked at by the RC and found to be utterly wrong. No one here has offered anything to disavow the simple truth. That they want to blame Menzies is clear but there's nothing in an record that supports their wishes. Australia most defintely did develop a type of Brisbane Line but it was done by the military for very logic reasons and was prepared AFTER Menzies had left office.

But as with the pig-iron myth Paul just wants it to be true, and that trumps any and all facts.

2) That the Japanese never had any intention of invading Australia. Again, some don't want that to be true so concoct all sorts of counter-arguments none of which have the slightest relationship to actual Japanese intentions. Somehow, in their fevered minds, the fact that many Australians feared the invasion proves that the Japanese were going to invade. Somehow, the clear documentary evidence from Japanese army archives that the proposal was looked at (briefly) and comprehensively rejected, is ignored. Because they don't want it to be true.

By the way Foxy, here's the link that you are so struggling to retrospectively supply...http://archive.is/qzVqn

""well they are only Chinamen!""

I call BS.

The fact is that the Japanese were very effective at hiding what they did in China.

The disaster of the Rape of Nanking really only became clear after the war. There were some pre-war murmurings but very little evidence. The Japanese clearly weren't talking about it, and the main westerners in the city at the time were mostly German and in many cases Nazi. They weren't about to dob on their ally.

So it wasn't a case of ignoring the issue for racist reasons. It was a case of being ignorant of the issue.

Relying on what some partisan tells you 30 years later is never a good policy.

I'm sure you did learn a lot from them Paul, including your devotion to Leftism, which colours your opinions and beliefs.

mhaze,

You stated that - "Relying on what some partisan tells
you 30 years later is never good policy."

Tell that to the Holocaust survivors and other war
victims.

But but but...

Foxy,

We don't have to RELY on what some partisan tells us about the Holocaust and the various wars. We can find out about them from other sources. The accounts of the participants might enliven the dry history or add nuance, but whether we heard their accounts or not, we'd still know these things occurred.

Paul's claims however are not supported by anything other than the accounts of possible participants many years hence.

See the difference?

mhaze,

Actually no.

The Nurenburg Trials and other war crimes court cases were based
on the accounts of witnesses.

The lack of interest in the fact that Australian politicians actually celebrated 70 years of Communism - responsible for death of 40 million Chinese themselves - and that Victoria Police flew a Chinese flag, is a pretty good indicator how unconcerned Australians are about the China threat to Australia and themselves. What a useless, undeserving bunch of dropkicks you are.

Nice one Foxy, me thinks you hit mhaze for six. BTW Mhaze my old man would be 109 if alive today, so he was well advanced in the 1930's. What high school history book are you quoting from?

Menzies got his nick name 'Pig Iron Bob' from the wharfies of Port Kembla who refused to load pig iron bound for Japan. Menzies claimed Australian iron was being used by the Japanese to make "toys", and not to bomb the crap out of the Chinese. I will say Mhaze, Pig Iron Bobs loyalty to Britain superseded his admiration of Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan. I don't believe Australia's interests were ever of much concern to Menzies.

Dear Paul,

It's lovely to see the high regard you have for your
dad. I loved mine as much. My parents fled from the
Soviet Regime during World War II. He also had some
horrific memories. Although he didn't talk about them
much.

ttbn,

I can see how upset you are about our politicians
attending the 70th Celebrations of Communist China.
And the police flying the flag.

I can't explain or understand it -
except perhaps - its all to do with
business interests.

However here's a link as to how some Chinese Australians
felt about the celebrations:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-01/china-national-day-70th-anniversary-prc-australians/11539732

Dear Foxy,

Australian politicians celebrating the Chinese Communist Party's 70th anniversary makes sense if you accept that Australia has a Chinese future, which it now seems that some of the politicians seem to recognise.

The Victorian police flying the Chinese flag is a symbolic gesture that the State is bound to the destiny of China and the inevitability that Australia is fast becoming a quasi-Chinese nation.

I think it validates what I have been predicting.

Dear Ttbn,

As much as politicians are the enemies of us, ordinary people, I believe that in this particular case, their participation in the CCP celebrations was not out of deliberate conscious malice - but rather, they were raising a white flag of surrender to indicate that Australia is unable to withstand the economic shock resulting from China stopping to buy Australian ores.

It pains me when you say: "The lack of interest in the fact that Australian politicians... is a pretty good indicator how unconcerned Australians are about the China threat to Australia and themselves."

Rather than blame everyone for their "lack of interest", can you instead constructively suggest some positive solution? Politicians are predators and as ordinary people we are just their prey, they have the guns, police, helicopters, dogs, prisons, control over communications and all, while we have nothing to defend ourselves from them, so is there anything we can actually do?

Yuyutsu,

After what you say about politicians, you can still ask me for a solution?

Politicians are the way they are because WE allowed them to get that way. Like sheep, we accept compulsory voting. Like sheep, we keep voting (most of us) for the same sort of people who hold us in contempt - Liberal or Labor. We cannot get a decent leader because the parties choose the leader. Unlike the U.S, we are unable to choose a non-career politician to run the country, even if it's just for a short time to ginger up the no-hopers who think that they are born to rule. Our politicians don't have to work to gain our favour: in government, or in opposition, they have a job for life, no matter whether or not they are any good - and none of them are any good: there is less and less difference between them as time goes by.

These days we might be better off if we were a 'banana republic' and we could take direct action when we were not listened to by B-grade politicians. We are too polite, too complacent and too disinterested. The good times after WW2 were really an aberration that spoiled us. We will never have it as good as we have had it from here on out. Future generations will not have as good an existence as we have had, and they are already accepting it. Socialism, which they have had no experience of, seems better than what they have and will have, thanks to the lies of the Left, and the total lack of guts now shown by so-called Conservatives. Hey, something more like China might appeal to them.

I have no solution, Yuyutsu; I'm just glad that I'm nearing the end of my life and not starting out. I certainly cannot claim to feel the way I used to feel about Australia or my fellow Australians. I barely recognise them anymore.

"The Nurenburg (sic) Trials and other war crimes court cases were based on the accounts of witnesses."

Foxy,
You really should try to avoid making the ahistoric claims about things you barely understand.

In terms of establishing the facts of the Holocaust, the evidence from witnesses was not needed and rarely used. The Holocaust was proven by investigators looking into the documentation of it, looking at the evidence in the actual camps. Taking an overview so to speak.

The trials (and the word might be a give-away) at least as regards the murdering of Jews and others were about prosecuting a particular man. Placing this man in this camp at this time and establishing what he did via witness testimony.

So utterly different to what Paul was asserting.

Oh and the trials took place within a very short period of the actual events, not 30 years later. `

Oh and the witnesses had to establish they were witnessing things that really happened. Unlike Paul's claims where there is no evidence for the claim ie that Australians in the actually knew about the etent of killings in China.

If you are going to hit someone for six, it probably helps to know which side of the bat to use. All the evidence is that Foxy doesn't know which end of the bat to use, let alone which side.

You see there is a world of difference between people in Poland knowing from person experience what happened there a couple of years earlier as regards things that had already been proven to have happened, as opposed to people 30 years later claiming to know what happened as regards things that weren't proven to have happened ie western knowledge of Japanese atrocities.

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Dear ttbn,

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You wrote :

« … Australian politicians, both Liberal and Labor, took part in 70 years of the Chinese Communist Party last month … In Melbourne, Victoria Police staged a ceremonial raising of the People’s Republic flag … Australian politicians are openly supporting a despotic Communists regime … We cannot get a decent leader because the parties choose the leader … We are too polite, too complacent and too disinterested »
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You are quite right, ttbn. I share your concerns. Australia is navigating through stormy waters and most of us are either totally unaware of the dangers or just don’t want to see them.

We are being sucked into the whirlpool of Chinese domination while desperately trying to cling to our American protector. What little independence we have is being stretched to near breaking point.

Much to my regret, I have serious doubts that the final choice will be in terms of democracy or totalitarianism but, rather, the unique option that La Boétie termed “voluntary servitude” – in order to preserve whatever we can of our “too polite, too complacent and too disinterested” traditional Aussie lifestyle that we value above all else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

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mhaze,

You should really look at things in their full
context and not present things selectively.

For the record - In the Nuremberg Trials -
against all 24 first tier defendants - there were
33 witnesses called for the prosecution and sixty one
for the defendants.

This is not surprising given that by the time the Nuremberg
trial began, the Allied Military Command had full access to
the German archives, as well as the reports of several
national commissions that had heard approximately 55,000
live witnesses to war crimes and atrocities.

These facts are all documented in history books.

BJ,

Yep.

hey Banjo Paterson,
"Much to my regret, I have serious doubts that the final choice will be in terms of democracy or totalitarianism but, rather, the unique option that La Boétie termed “voluntary servitude” – in order to preserve whatever we can of our “too polite, too complacent and too disinterested” traditional Aussie lifestyle that we value above all else."

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

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Dear Mr Opinion,

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Mea culpa, I forgot to reply to your post of Wednesday, 2 October 2019 6:40:47 AM. Sorry about that.

You wrote :

« So why are you giving us this cut & paste account taken from some Google site? »
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Whenever I consider it is necessary to recall the facts, I always check them before I post and try to reproduce them as faithfully as possible – including, dates, names, places, circumstances, statistics, etc. I’m afraid my memory is not good enough for me to rely on it alone for precise details.

Facts are facts and anybody can check them at their ease by whatever means they prefer.

However, I never reproduce comments, interpretations or opinions that are not my own unless I specifically cite the authors together with their corresponding references. Where applicable, I also provide a link to a relevant web site.

I hope this clarifies matters for you but please let me know if you have any further comments or questions.

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Dear Armchair Critic,

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You wrote :

« Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety »
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I’m inclined to agree with you, Armchair Critic, but then, it depends on just how temporary is temporary. It also depends on our appreciation of each specific temporal event. Temporality is an eminently subjective notion.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that everything in the universe is temporary. Nothing is permanent and nothing is eternal.

Also, only getting three hours sleep every night could be a terrible ordeal but only working three hours a day could be great. Yet both have the same temporality.

By the same token, some people may feel more secure with less freedom, living in a country ruled by an authoritarian political regime where everything is controlled by the state and they have little or no personal responsibility.

They may see greater practical advantage in La Boétie’s “voluntary servitude” than in John Lock’s theoretical democracy.

As ttbn pointed out, our democracy in Australia is not all that democratic. Theoretically it is, but for all intents and purposes, it is more of an oligarchy than a democracy.

So, what difference does it make ?

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Some times its easy to get Foxy to see the truth.

So with just one of my post we went from Foxy asserting..."The Nurenburg Trials and other war crimes court cases were based
on the accounts of witnesses."

to Foxy agreeing with me (without acknowledging it - she'd never acknowledge it) when I said " The Holocaust was proven by investigators looking into the documentation of it"

with this from Foxy..."the Allied Military Command had full access to the German archives, "

It nice to see that sometimes, (not often but sometimes) I can educate those who are ignorant of the facts as to the truth of the issue.

ttbn wrote: "The Chinese influence in Australia is hardly 'News and current affairs'. What we need is something done about; but nothing will be done about it when we have a 'leader' like Scott Morrison."

Sadly, I have to agree with you.

mhaze,

You again choose the truth selectively and neglect
to mention the witness testimonies that were part and
parcel of the documented evidence presented in the
trials.

continued ...

mhaze,

You are trying to twist the points that I was making.
Not a good look. But that is what you do.

The US Holocaust Memorial Museum has information on -
"Combating Holocaust Denial: Evidence presented at
Nuremberg." They tell us that:

"Testimony from survivors, then and today is often the best
antidote to Holocaust denial. Holocaust survivors directly
experienced Nazi genocidal policies. Their testimony is
personal, immediate, and for this reason compelling."

"Survivors like Marie Claude-Vaillant Couturier who
testified at Nuremberg about experiences at Auschwitz and
Elie Wiesel who after the war wrote the book, "Night"
about his deportation to Auschwitz in 1944, provide the
human element."

"Such witnesses convey what it felt like to be the target
of genocide. Taken together, the documents, photographs,
film, and perpetrator AND survivor testimony at postwar
trials provided an inescapable and undeniable
documentation of the Holocaust."

And that is the truth!

but nothing will be done about it when we have a 'leader' like Scott Morrison."
How about looking at it from another perspective ?
but nothing will be done about it when we have "voters like Australians "