Dear Paul1405,

We are discussing whether or not Australia is slipping further into China's sphere of influence. I don't think the migrants of post WW2 were seen in the same context as the Chinese in Australia are seen today. I believe Australia has a Chinese future and everything I have being putting forward is in support of my thesis. Do you accept that Australia will become a Chinese nation or a part of a global Chinese empire?

China might be an all-round fascinating country but it’s not a “normal” country and we should resist treating it as if it was a more populous Great Britain or a more dynamic India. It is an aspiring superpower, whose guiding values are not merely different but deeply hostile to our own. You can by all means sup with the devil, but apart from having a long spoon you have to at all times remember who you supping with. China might or might not be like Nazi Germany, but on the account of its population, size, geography, economic dynamism and the mastery of cutting edge technology it is potentially more dangerous to the world than Nazi Germany ever was.

"Do you accept that Australia will become a Chinese nation or a part of a global Chinese empire?" Well Mr O, that requires a high degree of speculation, but I will say such is possible. That could be achieved in many different ways. Australia could become an economic state similar to the way Japan treated Manchuria prior to WWII. On the other hand there could be an agreed future carve up of "territory" between the worlds two super powers similar to the Churchill/Stalin accord over Europe post WWII. Something that would serve both their interests. For Chinese thinking there is no reason why they should love us, we have never done anything in the past to garner the love of the Chinese. If I was them I would view Australia as a big island of natural resources being in a state of terra nullius, there are a handful of savages, but at best they are only good for digging up my dirt for me.

"China might be an all-round fascinating country but it’s not a “normal” country" ttbn and the "normal" countries are?

As China becomes richer and more powerful its influence will increase and Australia is probably affected more than most. However, being subject to a country's influence does not mean being a vassal state, the rejection of Huawei in the face of strong objection by Beijing is evidence of that.

What is required is competent and firm diplomacy.

"the rejection of Huawei in the face of strong objection by Beijing is evidence of that ( being a vassal state)". "What is required is competent and firm diplomacy." Shadow Minister, how can you be sure that Australia was demonstrating competent and firm diplomacy in regards to the Huawei rejection, and not simply following the dictates of Washington, and acting the good sycophant we often are perceived to be under Coalition governments.

Capitalist countries were done for the moment we offshored our manufacturing to communism.