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Australia slipping further into China's sphere of influence

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Dear Foxy,

You are correct. And was there any mention of how Sydney siders were to be evacuated to the Blue Mountains and the area fortified to make a last stand against the Japanese. Some of the fortified areas can still be recognised.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Thursday, 3 October 2019 7:04:44 AM
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Dear Mr Opinion,

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It seems there is no consensus among historians as to whether the Japanese intended to invade Australia or not during the second world war.

What they do appear to agree on is that the Australian government was publicly discussing a pending Japanese invasion well into 1944 when, as we now know, the Japanese were barely capable of defending the Japanese Home Islands, the Philippines and their Mandated Territories.

Personally, I can’t see why they would stop at Java if they hadn’t been forced to do so. I suspect they overestimated their own military strength at the outset of the second world war and underestimated that of the US. Most of their neighbours in the Pacific certainly see them as a belligerent nation – and usually for good reason.

Compared to the war history of Japan, China’s is quite different. The Chinese consider they have never invaded nor permanently occupied what may be deemed a “foreign” country as such. They consider they simply unified what were historically separate Chinese territories. This includes Manchukuo, with the help of the Russians, in 1945, most of the western and southern Mainland China in 1949, Tibet, in 1950, which was historically part of the Qing Dynasty. They also claim sovereignty over a number of disputed islands in the Pacific.

Whereas China, itself, has been invaded and occupied in totality by Genghis Khan and the Mongols, as well as in part by the Japanese, the Russians, the British, the French, the Italians, the Germans and the Hungarians.

The Portuguese lost their battles with the Chinese but occupied Macau on a rental basis. Hong Kong was leased to the British for 99-years until 2007 and as for Taiwan, the Chinese consider it to be a province of China.

Today, China is a major hegemonic power, similar to the UK in the nineteenth century and the US in the twentieth century. It deploys its economic, financial, cultural and military power for political gain on the world scene.

Their motto: « Win without fighting »
The Art of War, Sun Tzu (544-496 BC)

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 3 October 2019 8:05:59 AM
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BP, spot on, with both sides well armed with nuks the MAD principle is to the fore. « Win without fighting » is far more desirable.

Mr O, the 1942 "invasion" of Sydney Harbour by Jap midget subs and the subsequent shelling of Sydney's eastern burbs by a Jap mother sub, certainly put the frighteners on many Sydneysiders, rents in fashionable beach side burbs dropped 50%, and for those that could afford hols in the Blue Mountains were much in demand.

Mhaze, are you saying the Menzies government had no final say on defence planning, even generals take orders from politicians. You stated defence strategy for Australia was very much a 'Brisbane Line' strategy.

Incidentally, when the Japanese were murdering millions of Chinese during the Second Sino-Japanese War in the 1930's the Australian public's consensus was very much "well they are only Chinamen!"
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 3 October 2019 9:14:46 AM
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mhaze, and Paul,

This is taken from The Australian article that I cited
earlier:

" The documents Rosen uncovered make it clear that governments,
state and federal were preparing a scorched-earth policy to
deny invaders any form of assistance after landing. These
plans were to be applied to an arc from Maryborough in
Queensland to Portland in Victoria.

This shifts the reported Brisbane Line a little north but leaves
no doubt about officials'willingness to abandon areas
considered too difficult to defend."

If you put it - " Australia prepared a secret plan to repel
a Japanese invasion." The entire article by Mark Day from
The Australian will come up and you can read it for yourself.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 3 October 2019 9:31:46 AM
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Did you know that Australian politicians, both Liberal and Labor, took part in 70 years of the Chinese Communist Party last month?

In Queensland this bizarre celebration of Communist dictatorship was sponsored by Labor's Peter Russo, and ex-LNP John-Paul Langbroek. The guest of honour for the event was Xu Jie, the CCP government’s Consul General in Brisbane.

That event followed a similar celebration in NSW where that state parliament’s speaker Jonathon O’Dea spoke in glowing terms, reported by CCP media.

In Melbourne, Victoria Police staged a ceremonial raising of the People’s Republic flag in the heavily Chinese Box Hill.

Australian politicians are openly supporting a despotic Communists regime which is a direct threat to Australia.

What has His Uselessness, Scott Morrison, to say about this? Diddly squat, as per usual.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 3 October 2019 9:48:56 AM
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"well they are only Chinamen!"
Paul1405,
And what did the Chinese say about Australians ?
Posted by individual, Thursday, 3 October 2019 11:05:21 AM
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