Hi Joe, no one is denigrating the hunter/gatherer skills of the Aboriginal people, those skills were vital to their existence. Without reading Pascoe's book you have decided the "farming" as carried out was based on 'kangaroo grass', not so if you read the book you will find references to many types of grains and grasses. The question did Aboriginal people in some locations meet the five defined activities to classify them as farmers to some degree. The required activities to be so classified are simple;

1. Selection of seed.
2. Preparation of the soil.
3. Harvesting of the crop.
4. Storage of the surpluses.
5. Erecting of permanent housing for large populations.

Pascoe offers evidence that the above five criteria were meet in certain instances. I believe it, you and the uninformed naysayers like ALTRAV, who also hasn't read the book, don't.

I believe, Aboriginal farming in some locations was at the very beginning of agriculture, something akin to early farming as it developed in other places thousands of years ago.

BTW, are you doing as ALTRAV believes "upholding the truth as if to hold a cross to Satan", gee some people are full of it!

Paul, you are no better than your lessers.
You and your mates can only keep banging on about what you believe is written and your interpretation of it by filling in the lack of evidence with what you would like it to be.
I on the other hand simply question the lack of evidence, and by your attitude you are complicit in perpetuating the convenient stories previously published and promoted as truth.
Nowhere do you or your running mates even consider the idea that there were other races before or during the thousands of years of the alleged stewardship of the blacks.
You are as closed mind and stupid as the worst of apologists.
You claim superiority on many issues such as this one, yet you refuse to concede that the blacks were and are a 'bland' race of nothing but wanderers, with absolutely no outstanding qualities, features or capabilities.
I can happily call you lot morons, when you refuse to admit that you are wrong even after there is NO evidence of ANY activity of any kind which portrays them as anything more than what they still are today, a bunch of transient layabouts, HUNTING down the location and GATHERING the dole cheque when it becomes due.
Correction, using their terminology: GETTING PAID!
Getting paid alright, for doing nothing but getting drunk, sniffing petrol and bashing the crap out of each other including the women.
So stop denigrating the blacks as if you know what they are about and you have lived with them for thousands of years.
BTW stop trying to put us down simply because you don't like the truth.
The only way you will be taken seriously is with clear and unquestionable truth.
That's how you shut me up.
Until then, I use your attitude; SHUT UP!
We've heard your rantings a million times before.

Dear Paul,

Thank You for your intelligent, well reasoned, comments.
We've been told that nobody cares about this subject
and that it is not an issue worthy of discussion.

Well, the evidence tells us otherwise. We've had 380
responses on this topic so far and it appears to still
be going strong. We're still having this conversation.
Although as we can see some people's fevered imaginations,
their views hold an obsessive compulsive repetitiveness that
creates its own kind of "truth."

For them there's barely an issue now that is not refracted
through the lens as a partisan struggle between "Left"
and "Right". Indigenous rights, asylum seekers, gay
marriage, religion, the future of public broadcasting,
keeping kids safe at school, Islam, even the science of
global warming.

But there's a clue in this reductionism as I stated earlier.
In essence this is a finely honed media product packaged
by and marked through conservative franchises around the
world. Think tanks, right-leaning media like News Corp,
et al, lobby groups, conservative political parties,
partisan pollsters and the professional purveyors of
political division who work as party strategists.

That's how we got here.

Anyway, enough said.

See you on another discussion

ALTRAV,

You are in no position to speak on this
or any other subject when you don't know
the facts of the issues involved. Evidence
does exist and just because you're not
aware of it does not mean it's not there.
You're not aware of a great deal of things.
And yet they do exist.

Perhaps instead of blathering on forums
you'd be wiser to get better informed.
As Steele Redux once tried to tell you - you
need to lift your game - and give us something
of substance instead of raving and barking on about your
"truth."

Cheers.

The reason there has been 380 responses on this topic is not because of what your convoluted imagination has dreamed up, that it is worthy of conversation, because it is'nt.
The reason for so much discussion is purely to counter the ridiculous and outrageous claims made by the pro camp.
Pretty much all of the posts are attempts at trying to convince them they are wrong.
Again the proof is in the very postings but the convoluted ones refuse to see them.
If they had accepted our submission challenging their case, this topic would have been over as soon as it began.
That's how important or relevant it is.
OK just to put you all back in your box.
List the commentors, if there are many then the topic has teeth.
If on the other hand it is the same few battling it out ad nauseum then it is a rubbish topic.
Something interesting will draw comments from everyone/everywhere.
A useless and uninteresting topic will do the opposite, other than those few who are committed to keeping the topics truthfull and the commentors honest and correctly informed by not spreading mis-information.
Someone once joked that Foxy's continual departure then returning on the next comment is akin to someone walking the dog.
The dog decides to releave itself, then moves on, only to have to come back and pick up the faeces, from whence it was left after having moved on earlier.
There must be something wrong with Foxy, based on her last submission.
She speaks as if others suffer from obsessive, compulsive repetitiveness, that creates it's own kind of 'truth'.
Now I know she has 'lost it', because this is EXACTLY what she has been guilty of for as long as she has been on OLO.
I have been continually commenting on HER PROBLEM.
Now we can see why there has been so many postings on this topic, it's because of stubborn, child like, closed minded, arrogant, attitudes refusing to even consider the idea that there is always another explanation or reason for something, in the absence of irrefutable truth.

Foxy, it's not MY truth.
It is either TRUE or not.
There you go again.
Your ranting again, what you say does not make sense.
'I may not be aware of a great deal of things.
And yet they do exist'.
What?
I agree, what is your point?
Foxy, if the evidence is not there, or none exists then logic dictates, it DOES NOT EXIST!
I'm sorry but now your going out of focus on this point you were trying to make.
If something exists, or existed, there would be some evidence.
If you're saying that all the evidence is gone and there is nothing tangible to show or touch of it's existence, then how do you explain it having been there in the first place, without evidence?
This is my point.
Your point is, I'm not sure what it is because it sounds like, 'take my word for it'.
Well that is my point.
No I will not take anyone's word for anything, so if you don't mind, I will continue to question questionable comments.