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BUDJ BIM an Indigenous eel trap site added to World Heritage List!

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mhaze,

The reputable historian Bill Gammage's book follows
Bruce Pascoe's book. Does Bill Gammage also choose
his first sources selectively?

ALTRAV,

They are first sources that are being used by historians
not second or third as you claim.

Joe,

No matter what's presented to you, you will continue
with your usual stance. No surprises there.

As for me. I shall stay with the first sources
evidence being presented.

Gentlemen, you can protest all you like.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 July 2019 10:29:49 AM
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"The reputable historian Bill Gammage's book follows
Bruce Pascoe's book."

Well since Pascoe's book was published AFTER Gammage's I somewhat doubt that.

" Does Bill Gammage also choose
his first sources selectively?"

Yes. The funniest part is where he uses paintings as though they were photographs. But even Gammage doesn't go in for the domesticated seeds and animals rubbish.

So I'm taking that as a "no" to reading the actual source material. That's probably a good idea, Foxy. We wouldn't want to find out evidence that contradicted what we want to be true
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 July 2019 11:11:19 AM
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Foxy,

The explorers and pastoralists were not anthropologists or scientists, and the records can best be described as anecdotal. That Pascoe has cherry picked excerpts from these diaries and drawn conclusions based on his interpretation of them while well intentioned produces conclusions whose credibility is tenuous at best which is common when one "finds" exactly what one is looking for.

That archeological studies do not correlate with his "research" is in my opinion a considerable taint on his work.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 26 July 2019 12:08:21 PM
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Gentlemen,

My apologies for the typing error I made earlier.
I was in a rush out the door. I meant to say that
Pascoe's book followed Gamage's - 2011 to 2014.

Anyway, the fact remains that Pascoe's book has reached
a wider audience and it just goes to show that
Australia is changing its mind about our history.
There's a conversation going on and people are using the
book to open the conversation. The book is in its 28th
printing (with a recent version for the young now available).

Pascoe's optimistic vision of Indigenous culture acts as
a balm for a world beset by ecological and political
calamity. Its found a receptive audience particularly
among younger readers.

There's obviously still a few dinosaurs about, but younger
people especially are all over it.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 July 2019 2:32:35 PM
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Foxy,

So suddenly, the impressions of white explorers and pastoralists are authoritative ? But i thought they were such bastards that they would suppress any and all evidence of Aboriginal farming ? And even pottery ?

Wow, you learn something every day.

joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 26 July 2019 3:13:17 PM
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Joe,

Unfortunately, you don't!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 26 July 2019 3:16:11 PM
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